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Old 11-25-2019, 07:18 PM   #16
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Consider pre-drilling at an angle and running the screws back into the drilled holes. If you can hit meat on either side, it's worth a shot.
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The screws are 5mm diameter (#10?) and 70mm long
70 mm = 2.75 inches. Not logical. Use a small wire and measure distance to something solid. Probably close to 6"

What type of screw head does the hinge require. I see #10 wood screws as long as 4 inches with a couple types of heads at Home Depot.


6" at Walmart
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Google "#10 wood screw".
I saw one as long as 10 inches at DIY Home center
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Old 11-26-2019, 12:55 AM   #19
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As a Lowe's Proffesional Installer & Licensed General Contractor, I've installed hundreds of frameless, semi frameless and framed shower doors. When anchoring hinged frameless doors, the hinges NEED to be screwed into the studs. Semi frameless and framed applications with glass 5/16" or less can be anchored using standard drywall/masonry plastic anchors. It's what the manufacturer supplies and instructs the installer to use. Glass that is 3/8" or thicker must also be attached to studs.

You're best bet, is to use the toggle anchors as mentioned before. However, the anchor holes may be too large for the hinge to cover and may not be the best application. The holes may also end up being too close to each other and could become 1 hole. Because it is considered a masonry wall, with the lathe and mortar system, plastic anchors should be ok depending on your glass thickness.

Remember, plastic anchors in mortar/masonry walls have a higher hold strength than when used in drywall.

The plastic anchors I've always used are rated @ 138lbs in masonry/mortar and we have used them to install hinged glass doors such as yours with ZERO issues. With only using 1/3 of their rated strength and the 8 holes you have that puts it around 370 lbs of support. I don't think the door is more than 100 lbs. We get these anchors from Lowe's.

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Old 11-26-2019, 06:47 AM   #20
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First of all, kudos to you for taking pictures of the construction and saving them! This is a big help.


The shower was not framed correctly. You should always have studs across the curb area, or at the very least in the exact center of the curb. Most door installers and manufacturers require or recommend a double stud in the middle of the curb.


I agree the door was not installed correctly if anchors were not used that solidly hold the hinges in place where there is not a stud. It would be acceptable to me (although I'd prefer a double stud) to have 2 screws in a stud and 2 in an anchor, for each hinge, but the anchors have to be correct ones that hold the screws tight.
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If you're OK drilling into the wall there, and if you can't find screws that would reach far enough to the door framing, you could drill some large holes into those two studs that are on either side of the gap that your screws fell into, and glue in a 1-1.5" dowel for each screw (depends what your screw spacing is). Then you can drill the dowels for your screws, and the drywall repair should be minimal.
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If you're OK drilling into the wall there, and if you can't find screws that would reach far enough to the door framing, you could drill some large holes into those two studs that are on either side of the gap that your screws fell into, and glue in a 1-1.5" dowel for each screw (depends what your screw spacing is). Then you can drill the dowels for your screws, and the drywall repair should be minimal.
That's a brilliant idea......!!!
How big can I go in terms of diameter without weakening the 2 studs?
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Building code allows a hole up to 40% of the total width of the stud when it's a non-load bearing wall. In your circumstance, I'd go ahead and cheat a tad by drilling a 1 1/2 inch hole. Then put some liquid dish washing soap on a 1 1/2" dowel and pound it in the hole.

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I'm lost here. If you're going to cut into the drywall to insert some dowel, why not just put in blocking? Patching the drywall is the same effort if the hole is 3" wide or 6" wide. You want to be screwing into a flat piece of wood, not trying to hit the exact center of a dowel. Unless I'm not understanding what's being talked about here.
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I'm lost here. If you're going to cut into the drywall to insert some dowel, why not just put in blocking? Patching the drywall is the same effort if the hole is 3" wide or 6" wide. You want to be screwing into a flat piece of wood, not trying to hit the exact center of a dowel. Unless I'm not understanding what's being talked about here.
It's also an option......But I'm not sure what I will find behind the drywall
My fear is I will not have access to slide some blocking in between the 2 studs
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The way I understood it was, there is tile on the flat walls on either side (think back to back showers) and the end wall was gyp board + finish. That made the end wall repair easier than pealing a tile wall and dealing with tile backer board, etc.
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It's also an option......But I'm not sure what I will find behind the drywall
My fear is I will not have access to slide some blocking in between the 2 studs

Then how are you supposed to fit a big dowel in there?
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The way I understood it was, there is tile on the flat walls on either side (think back to back showers) and the end wall was gyp board + finish. That made the end wall repair easier than pealing a tile wall and dealing with tile backer board, etc.

So what's the point of a dowel specifically?
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The way I understood it was, there is tile on the flat walls on either side (think back to back showers) and the end wall was gyp board + finish. That made the end wall repair easier than pealing a tile wall and dealing with tile backer board, etc.
Here is a quick sketch (top view) trying to explain the layout
The 5.5" is the length I could push a thin metal rod before hitting something
The 10" dimension is the length between the casing of the door and the tiled surface of the shower
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OK I see the issue now, thanks.
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