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Old 04-11-2016, 09:15 PM   #31
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Moving right along with the bathroom now. I'm hoping to lay the tile in the shower this weekend, once I can decide on the tile that is. Will be applying redgard for the waterproofing membrane this week. My question is about the layout of the tiles. I've read that I should do the bottom row last, and use a piece of wood screwed into the backer board to support the first row of the tiles. But, if I'm doing that membrane then I'm putting screw holes through it to attach the piece of wood. What should I be doing here?
Redgard

Ledger board

Install your wall tile

Install your floor tile

Remove the ledger

Fill holes with OSI and dab a bit of Redgard over it

Tile bottom row
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Old 04-11-2016, 09:22 PM   #32
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Either Hardi or the DensShield. I like the DensShield, because it is easier to cut like Drywall, instead of having to use a table or small sized Circular saw. Either way you go, just make sure that you tape the seams with the Gray mesh tape and then use the same mud that you put down before laying the panels, for the seams and screws. It just needs to be a light layer, so that when you lay the mud for the tile floor, it goes faster.

I did a Brick pattern, and actually at the end, started to run out of mud, because I also had to make up for a slope, because our house is 3/4" lower on that side of the house by the time you get to the corner of the back bedroom. I actually was so ready to get it done, I realized about 10 min's that I had messed up the last row and and to pull it up and put mud down that I was practically out, because I ended up with one bag almost getting used.

I did go around and caulk all edges at the bottom plate, before putting down the DensShield and right before I tiled, then once more after, so that if any water did get on the floor, there was no way that it would get under anything. At the pipe for the toilet and sink water, also caulked around them to make sure nothing could get under the tile.

I found it was a lot easier using a Waxless ring on the toilet, because I had to keep pulling the toilet between each part of the job, which made things a lot easier.



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Ledger board

Install your wall tile

Install your floor tile

Remove the ledger

Fill holes with OSI and dab a bit of Redgard over it

Tile bottom row
I guess I was thinking of how it could all be done in one go. So you remove the ledger, fill the holes and wait a few hours for it to dry then go back and do the bottom row. Gotcha, thanks.
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Either Hardi or the DensShield. I like the DensShield, because it is easier to cut like Drywall, instead of having to use a table or small sized Circular saw. Either way you go, just make sure that you tape the seams with the Gray mesh tape and then use the same mud that you put down before laying the panels, for the seams and screws. It just needs to be a light layer, so that when you lay the mud for the tile floor, it goes faster.

I did a Brick pattern, and actually at the end, started to run out of mud, because I also had to make up for a slope, because our house is 3/4" lower on that side of the house by the time you get to the corner of the back bedroom. I actually was so ready to get it done, I realized about 10 min's that I had messed up the last row and and to pull it up and put mud down that I was practically out, because I ended up with one bag almost getting used.

I did go around and caulk all edges at the bottom plate, before putting down the DensShield and right before I tiled, then once more after, so that if any water did get on the floor, there was no way that it would get under anything. At the pipe for the toilet and sink water, also caulked around them to make sure nothing could get under the tile.

I found it was a lot easier using a Waxless ring on the toilet, because I had to keep pulling the toilet between each part of the job, which made things a lot easier.
Greg, are you saying to use 1/4" hardie or denshield instead of the 1/4" piece of OSB I had in my picture? I completely understand the process for adding the hardie board on top of the plywood. Just questioning the method of leveling out the threshold area with extra thinset.
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I guess I was thinking of how it could all be done in one go. So you remove the ledger, fill the holes and wait a few hours for it to dry then go back and do the bottom row. Gotcha, thanks.
I set the floor and then come back the next day to set the bottom row.
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You cannot use the OSB for tile. I like DensShield, because it is easier to cut for curves, etc. Hardie involves more work and can be hard to cut a curve, unless you are handy with the right tools.



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I set my tile on the back wall of the shower the other day. 12x24 porcelain tiles laid vertically up to the top 1 foot where I set mosaic tiles(this one: http://www.lowes.com/pd_47326-74035-...tt=mosaic+tile). What is the trick to setting these mosaic tiles? It's much thinner than the 12x24 tiles, so I built up the thinset higher behind it. But then it all oozed inbetween the tiles and took a long time to clean out of all the grout lines after it dried. And it's not even close to flat, it looks really bad. The Raimondi leveling system worked really well on my 12x24 tiles but doesn't do a thing on these mosaics. I used a ~12" section of 2x4 to press the mosaic tile into the thinset, trying to make it somewhat flat, but that didn't work well either. Good thing it's at the top of the shower where people won't be looking very hard.

Seriously, how the heck do you set these mosaics flat and without a mess?
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I set my tile on the back wall of the shower the other day. 12x24 porcelain tiles laid vertically up to the top 1 foot where I set mosaic tiles(this one: http://www.lowes.com/pd_47326-74035-...tt=mosaic+tile). What is the trick to setting these mosaic tiles? It's much thinner than the 12x24 tiles, so I built up the thinset higher behind it. But then it all oozed inbetween the tiles and took a long time to clean out of all the grout lines after it dried. And it's not even close to flat, it looks really bad. The Raimondi leveling system worked really well on my 12x24 tiles but doesn't do a thing on these mosaics. I used a ~12" section of 2x4 to press the mosaic tile into the thinset, trying to make it somewhat flat, but that didn't work well either. Good thing it's at the top of the shower where people won't be looking very hard.

Seriously, how the heck do you set these mosaics flat and without a mess?
use a smaller notched trowel and you'll avoid the ooze through the gaps. Of course, the real trick (IMHO) to tiling is long before you even pick up a tile, it's all in the prep of the surface. If you start with flat surfaces, you get a nice tiling job no problem. In other words, if you want your mosaic to be flat, you need to be able to get the appropriate amount of thin set coverage and be able to push the tiles against your surface.

To deal with the different thicknesses in tiles, you have to build up the surface with skim coats or some material (e.g. ditra) OR you can use some type of transitional tile (e.g. "pencil tile").

In the pic below I used a pencil tile on the wall, and then I built up the area on the floor to compensate for thinner tiles.

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[quote=1acre;3219409]use a smaller notched trowel and you'll avoid the ooze through the gaps. Of course, the real trick (IMHO) to tiling is long before you even pick up a tile, it's all in the prep of the surface. If you start with flat surfaces, you get a nice tiling job no problem. In other words, if you want your mosaic to be flat, you need to be able to get the appropriate amount of thin set coverage and be able to push the tiles against your surface.

To deal with the different thicknesses in tiles, you have to build up the surface with skim coats or some material (e.g. ditra) OR you can use some type of transitional tile (e.g. "pencil tile").



I spent a lot of time on the prep work so the walls are pretty flat, but yeah building up the wall makes sense. There was just too much thinset for it to ever have a chance of sitting flat. Thanks
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