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Old 04-06-2018, 12:55 AM   #16
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I am sorry but I am now lost. I thought the very first drawing layout was the current layout (which shows the sink is NOT by the window), but now you just photo another one and the sink IS by the window? Also, the drawings/design isn't the same (no offend intended). I do NOT see any "stand alone range"?

Anyway, by looking at the updated photo (the one with tiles countertop)... looks like a demo job and new things (like you aren't going to keep the wall oven?)?

Is this your house? Did you (or someone) just bought it and haven't moved in yet? What's the budget? All that needs to be discussed and plan out. Are you going to have a microwave? I am not saying to get personal with this, but I am not following this with all these different drawings and other photos?

Maybe I am missing the question?


Hi Cnt

I am sorry I am new to this, we have not moved in yet, The photo where there is a island is kind of how I want my kitchen to look the same angle as the boxed side of my kitchen- I also want to add in that pantry you can see from the other side going through and I have a closet there so I should have the space- The dining area we will never use so extending the kitchen and making a little nook would work for us.
I wish I could find a picture of the interior of this kitchen because I am going to have to think about this layout inside and I know that’s where your confused at as I am, - I was trying to explain to my husband how I wanted this portion to be opened up into the family room area with an island and I found that perfect picture , as you see the other side is already opened with a counter overlooking room with fireplace, we’re going To make that a bar area with pool table with a side pub table etc. I really appreciate your help, sorry to be so confusing —— The pic with long kit is awesome - it’s a model home near me -
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I am sorry but I am now lost. I thought the very first drawing layout was the current layout (which shows the sink is NOT by the window), but now you just photo another one and the sink IS by the window? Also, the drawings/design isn't the same (no offend intended). I do NOT see any "stand alone range"?

Anyway, by looking at the updated photo (the one with tiles countertop)... looks like a demo job and new things (like you aren't going to keep the wall oven?)?

Is this your house? Did you (or someone) just bought it and haven't moved in yet? What's the budget? All that needs to be discussed and plan out. Are you going to have a microwave? I am not saying to get personal with this, but I am not following this with all these different drawings and other photos?

Maybe I am missing the question?


Yes I want a microwave and I like the counter range too - have to figure up a plan how I want it all inside - I put these side by side so you can see - the top is my boxed kitchen which you seen in pics above with the ugly tiles and oak cabinets that are existing - bottom pic is idea to open up space to family room -
Demo job sounds expensive - But I need someone to bring me out of the clouds - if I could just start with opening up the wall space and adding an island tile that I would be happy for a while - Maybe the pantry etc will have to wait - the lower ceiling too :/


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The thing is the new kitchen is much wider, thus can accommodate island. In your case, looks like you could use the dinning area as the new kitchen and the existing kitchen as new dinning area (open concept for table and chairs between the kitchen and family room).

Again, I am limited in seeing photos. Best to have someone in the house, showing you where/what could be such. Some may cost a lot of money, or not... example, for me, the only thing costing us money is the new cabinets, the rest I am doing it myself (with little cost like paint, flooring, etc).

Be aware of having relative(s) participate in renovations, can cause family troubles (including owing moneys or never finish the jobs).
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The thing is the new kitchen is much wider, thus can accommodate island. In your case, looks like you could use the dinning area as the new kitchen and the existing kitchen as new dinning area (open concept for table and chairs between the kitchen and family room).

Again, I am limited in seeing photos. Best to have someone in the house, showing you where/what could be such. Some may cost a lot of money, or not... example, for me, the only thing costing us money is the new cabinets, the rest I am doing it myself (with little cost like paint, flooring, etc).

Be aware of having relative(s) participate in renovations, can cause family troubles (including owing moneys or never finish the jobs).


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I am looking to do a remodel...
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I am sorry but I am now lost. I thought the very first drawing layout was the current layout (which shows the sink is NOT by the window), but now you just photo another one and the sink IS by the window? Also, the drawings/design isn't the same (no offend intended). I do NOT see any "stand alone range"?

... but I am not following this with all these different drawings and other photos?

Maybe I am missing the question?
Confusion is probably because you are looking at two completely different kitchens, mine and some other person's that has hopped along.
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Old 04-06-2018, 01:27 PM   #22
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This is the kitchen and range, and wall I intend to remove/replace with pillar(s).
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The simplest/easiest design I can come up with knocks down the orange wall sections, and keeps a support beam with pillars where the Red wall was.



It adds space and cabinetry to the kitchen will only the fridge encroaches on the original dining area by about 14 inches. Yellow in this picture indicates wall sections that are kept (raised) and the yellow on the floor is the removed wall location.



Blue = sink

It is in the original location. Not much to say here. There will be cabinets similar to the original layout above the sink/counter.



Green = Dishwasher

DW is moved right 12" to be next to the wall. I don't think this causes problems except maybe hot steam messing up the wall. Access to the 12" section/cabinet I imagine might be more difficult if that 12" section seperated the DW from the wall.



Light blue = Fridge

I can't think of better place to put it. Will likely try to recess it a little into the wall, and box it in with cabinets above.



Red = range/stove

I am pretty sure I want to integrate a 36" induction cooktop, with a range integrated below. There would be 19" on each side of the cooktop. Haven't decided if centered is best, or move it to the side towards the sink.



The box below the window next to the fridge represents where a table would go. The window starts 32" off of the ground (trim is below 32") so making an L-shape counter would need two changes: 1) The dishwasher moved to the left of the sink (not too much of a problem besides a tripping hazard). And 2) the window would have to be resized smaller from the bottom.



The island could be extended 14" so that it matches the width of the fridge (which still looks awkward to me)



Overall this idea seams like a winner for relative simplicity, it keeps most of the electrical/plumbing in the original locations, and does not alter the size of the window(s)


can you tell me where you were able to do the plans? is it a free app or program?


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and showing different photos of kitchens/drawings

The green kitchen (post #22)... you only show one side of the kitchen. Would also need to show the sink wall (without the window?) and the window wall.

How high are the base cabinets? 36"? How high is the wall (from floor to ceiling)? 8'? Soffits?

What are you planning to keep? Plan to have a range hood (stove top vent hood) or microwave over the stove? New (elec/gas) stove, refrigerator, dishwasher, etc? New sink? New cabinets? New countertop? From the look of the green kitchen, looks like a complete demo (tear down drywall and new flooring). This may need electrical/gas reroute?

Finally... <sigh> gotta pull out a permit
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The green kitchen (post #22)... you only show one side of the kitchen. Would also need to show the sink wall (without the window?) and the window wall.

How high are the base cabinets? 36"? How high is the wall (from floor to ceiling)? 8'? Soffits?

What are you planning to keep? Plan to have a range hood (stove top vent hood) or microwave over the stove? New (elec/gas) stove, refrigerator, dishwasher, etc? New sink? New cabinets? New countertop? From the look of the green kitchen, looks like a complete demo (tear down drywall and new flooring). This may need electrical/gas reroute?

Finally... <sigh> gotta pull out a permit
8ft floor to ceiling. Pretty much going to be a complete demo. I would like to keep the sink location as that will save a bit on plumbing, I suspect I will need a new vent stack if I move it anywhere except to the right of the current position since the sink is already almost 5ft from the original vent stack.

Electric shouldn't be too bad to move, it is routed down from the attic so just switch the wall it comes down. Still need a permit since my county doesn't allow DIY permits on gas/plumbing.

Keeping nothing. All cabinets, appliances, counter etc will be trashed.

New hood over the range, vent out of the attic/roof if on the island, vent through the exterior wall if the stove is moved to an exterior wall.

Microwave will go into the old cabinets on the original sink wall somewhere. Most likely no gas, Induction stove top, electric oven.

New base cabinets are planned to be ~36" high.
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My goal is to update the kitchen so it is more efficient, bigger, and more modern/open without doing anything too extreme (taste-wise) that would put off potential buyers if I do decide to sell the house down the road.
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Is the kitchen 10'x10'? What about the dinning room? Is the house a tri-level house?

You see... the drawing in post#2 isn't going to do much different.

The post #3 drawing... the refrigerator door would have to be open to left if putting in that corner. But, the design looks like it will do more harm than good.

I am still thinking moving the kitchen to the dinning area, "hide it" a little (with a small wall), then the kitchen area would be the dinning area (as a dinning room and regular everyday kitchen table/chairs).

Again, little hard to tell since you would need to see the house flow, as what you see when entering the front door.

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Kitchen is 11x9ft (9ft is the length of the original counter top). Dining area is 9ftx10, together they span 20ft. Its a 2 level house.
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