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Old 07-15-2014, 07:19 PM   #16
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I can't find the mesh that goes with the liquid membrane....
HD sells Redgard, but no mesh
Lowes sells AquaDefense, but no mesh

Which other similar product could I use? I've seen some cement board mesh that is alkali resistant, but it's only 2" wide

I've seen "how to" video about liquid membrane where the mesh looked wider than 2".....
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I believe the mesh is put on with thinset, it's not used with the redguard directly.
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Old 07-15-2014, 07:47 PM   #18
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I've seen several videos where mesh was embedded into redgard or aquadefense....
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The mesh you can use is found at Home Depot with their stucco repair products. It is usually blue. Not near drywall supplies and not near tile supplies and not near cement board supplies, I know I know.

You can cut the Redgard by 1/3 with water and have two coats on the walls in less than two hours. If you cut it I would recommend applying three coats. You may have to go back and touch up some pin holes in the mesh. If you want to pay this guy a hundred dollars to paint those walls, that's up to you.

If you trust this guy that's fine but he really doesn't know what he is talking about.

Don't do vapor barrier on the studs and Redgard on the surface, that will create new problems.

Grout sealers are vapor-transmissive and have never been waterproof, they aren't supposed to be, that's not what grout sealers are for.

As far as his never having a leak in twenty years...that's just plain stupid. He has had leaks the way he is doing things.
How many contractors do you know that go to bid a job and tell the customers of all the problems they have with their jobs over the years. We all lie. It goes with the territory.
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The plan is to install a vapor barrier over the framing...
I will apply some liquid membrane (Redgard or Aquadense) around the window and in the corners
You say I could mix the 1st coat 2/3 Redgard and 1/3 water?
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Do not use the vapor barrier over the studs when using a surface membrane---it is not needed---and if some moisture does get through to the board--there is no way for that moisture to dry out.

Coat the entire surface of the board---the directions call for thinning the first coat of Red Guard--then full strength for subsequent coats.
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I know....This is why I would only apply around the window and in the corner
Not on the whole surface
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I'm confused------why not skip the vapor barrier and waterproof the whole thing?

A properly waterproofed shower can be used before the tile is even installed---

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Yeah, good point
I think it's all about timing....If he is done with the window and the cement board, I have to whole week-end to do the redgard. But in that case, I have to tell him to not install the vapor barrier
Or timing is uncertain, and I have to go the "safe" route (timing wise): vapor barrier and redgard in some specific area
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Yeah, good point
I think it's all about timing....If he is done with the window and the cement board, I have to whole week-end to do the redgard. But in that case, I have to tell him to not install the vapor barrier
Or timing is uncertain, and I have to go the "safe" route (timing wise): vapor barrier and redgard in some specific area
WOW, are you hard-headed or what?

You don't want to use both the vapor barrier and the surface waterproofing. By doing so you are creating a means for condensation to form and collect inside the wall. The industry recommendation is to do one or the other but not both. Surface waterproofing would be preferable for obvious reasons. Well...apparently not so obvious.
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Have you properly read my post...... ????
IF the vapor barrier is installed, liquid membrane will only be applied in some specific spots, not the whole surface (for obvious reasons.....)
I don't think that less than 10% of the surface with both vapor barrier and liquid membrane will be an issue
I've seen other posts in different forums about that exact same question, and several people said it was fine........
But anyway, the vaport barrier won't be installed and I will apply the liquid membrane on the whole surface myself over the week-end
I just need to decide if I take Redgard or AquaDefense (AquaDefense being a little bit cheaper)
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Have you properly read my post...... ????
It's easier to just get testy instead.
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The mesh you can use is found at Home Depot with their stucco repair products. It is usually blue. Not near drywall supplies and not near tile supplies and not near cement board supplies, I know I know.

You can cut the Redgard by 1/3 with water and have two coats on the walls in less than two hours. If you cut it I would recommend applying three coats. You may have to go back and touch up some pin holes in the mesh. If you want to pay this guy a hundred dollars to paint those walls, that's up to you.

If you trust this guy that's fine but he really doesn't know what he is talking about.

Don't do vapor barrier on the studs and Redgard on the surface, that will create new problems.

Grout sealers are vapor-transmissive and have never been waterproof, they aren't supposed to be, that's not what grout sealers are for.

As far as his never having a leak in twenty years...that's just plain stupid. He has had leaks the way he is doing things.
How many contractors do you know that go to bid a job and tell the customers of all the problems they have with their jobs over the years. We all lie. It goes with the territory.
I went to my HD, and could not find anything like that.....I looked into the building material area, but haven't seen anything
Will take a look tonight at Lowes.....or another HD !!!
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I went to my HD, and could not find anything like that.....I looked into the building material area, but haven't seen anything
Will take a look tonight at Lowes.....or another HD !!!
http://www.homedepot.com/p/FibaTape-...44-U/100243295
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OK, thanks.....will go back and look
I was looking for something wider (6")
Is 2" or 2"3/8 enough to treat corners (outside corners for a window?)
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