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Old 08-28-2014, 09:12 PM   #16
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And something more detailed and difficult.
No more detailed and difficult than tiling her walls, which she said she is doing for sure. The only thing she said she wanted is that it looks nice. IMO, a tiled floor is going to look nicer than a preformed floor assuming the walls are tiled. She will have to decide on the aesthetics.
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But there is just something more custom looking about tile
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And something more detailed and difficult.
no doubt

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Also, Kerdi is probably easier to install than traditional cement boards. It's easier to cut to size, easier to hold in place, and requires no screws. When applying to a wall, it's very easy to cut out holes for the shower faucet and shower head spout while on the wall. Try doing that with cement board. It requires thinset, just like cement board on a floor would require. There is a "learning curve" I suppose with any new product one tries, but it's nothing difficult.
when i did mine. i found that it was difficult to get an even layer of thin set under the kerdi. as you have to "work" the kerdi into the thin set, to get it to stick. and this caused the mud to bunch up in places. i ended up with a not "very" flat wall. i had my work cut out for me when tiling.

the floor = piece of cake.
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when i did mine. i found that it was difficult to get an even layer of thin set under the kerdi. as you have to "work" the kerdi into the thin set, to get it to stick. and this caused the mud to bunch up in places. i ended up with a not "very" flat wall. i had my work cut out for me when tiling.
You probably mixed the thinset too thick and/or used too large of a trowel. According to the instructions for Kerdi,

"The mortar must be mixed to a fairly fluid consistency"

"[use] a 1/4" x 3/16" V notched trowel or Kerdi trowel"

If you do those 2 things, it should be easy.
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when i did mine. i found that it was difficult to get an even layer of thin set under the kerdi. as you have to "work" the kerdi into the thin set, to get it to stick. and this caused the mud to bunch up in places. i ended up with a not "very" flat wall. i had my work cut out for me when tiling.

the floor = piece of cake.
THERE YA GO!
Thank you "Fix" for your testimony, this is exactly what I am talking about when I say "There is a learning curve". Installing KERDI Mat is not as easy as Schluter would have you believe it is.
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THERE YA GO!
Thank you "Fix" for your testimony, this is exactly what I am talking about when I say "There is a learning curve". Installing KERDI Mat is not as easy as Schluter would have you believe it is.
that is why i through that in there. when someone is teaching themselves, it can be pretty difficult to get the nack of it. even to the point of teaching yourself the wrong way to do it. as opposed to having someone show you the correct way right from the start.

and my wall was not a sea of waves. under about 1/8" unflat. a 4' level was my freind when setting the tiles.
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that is why i through that in there. when someone is teaching themselves, it can be pretty difficult to get the nack of it. even to the point of teaching yourself the wrong way to do it. as opposed to having someone show you the correct way right from the start.

and my wall was not a sea of waves. under about 1/8" unflat. a 4' level was my freind when setting the tiles.
It seems you "GET IT" while others don't. The home centers are corporations whose only reason for being is to generate profits and satisfy stockholders. Schluter Systems is no different than all of the Big Box stores. Sales are what is important, sales, sales, sales, profits, profits, profits.

They all want you buy their products but they don't seem to want to train their employees or hire experienced people with knowledge and experience of real-world situations. Not everyone in the DIY arena has the same ability or level of knowledge necessary to complete a given project. Schluter is no better. They offer great products and they offer instructions to install their products but they don't understand that not everyone shares the same perception of the written instructions or has the aptitude to achieve the same results.

There are people on these forums giving advice using a simplistic approach to everything they spew, when in fact even their experience is called into question by the way they approach the projects. This week they are tile experts on a DIY Forum, last week they were assembling your hamburgers at Burger King.
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There are some people on these forums with a big ego to maintain, so the harder something seems, the better it looks for them. It justifies all their years of experience. Unfortunately for them, this stuff isn't all rocket science. If you can read an instruction sheet, and possibly watch a video, then you can install Ditra, you can install Kerdi, you can install PEX plumbing, you can install an electrical outlet, you can patch your wall, you can paint your wall, and if you're feeling crazy you just might even use a power tool!
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I prefer tiled shower floors too, but a shower, (especially the lower part), is a difficult 1st project for most DIY's. It's easy to skip something that will cause a failure. Then what? For some, a one piece quality pan is the answer. Not the cheapo plastic junk some builders supply.

As you can see below, I specialize in Kerdi showers, that's about all I've used the last 8-9 years. (I'm now 95% retired), There definitely is a "learning curve" with it. It certainly helps if you have tile experience, even then..... I can just imagine how some of the jobs done by people with little experience turn out. Very often we never know cuz they just disappear from these forums.

The regular drywall v greenboard issue is very confusing and may differ by area and whether it's an outside wall or interior wall. I've used Kerdi over both with no known failures, or problems. (actually I can't say that I've ever had to eat a job or even had a customer that thought I should have). Well, except one time.

As Bud mentioned there are situations beyond the tilework where moisture resistant behind Kerdi would be a good idea. You may have a condition in the wall cavity that is of concern.

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I'm curious why you keep writing KERDI Mat, especially always with a capital "M". Schluter doesn't call it that - they refer to it as KERDI membrane or KERDI waterproof membrane.
Well......I'm curious why anyone would go so low to say stuff like dat?

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The OP has not been back since they first posted this thread.

It would appear we are just arguing with each other and not accomplishing a whole lot.
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The OP has not been back since they first posted this thread.

It would appear we are just arguing with each other and not accomplishing a whole lot.
It's what we do! Besides, these threads get referred to in the future, so it's good to hammer out the details.
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Well......I'm curious why anyone would go so low to say stuff like dat?
Low?? You don't find the term "KERDI Mat" to be curious? With a capital M like it's part of the actual name from the manufacturer? You don't use that term, and neither does anyone else I know of. I'm curious why it's being used. It seems odd.
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It seems you "GET IT" while others don't.

There are people on these forums giving advice using a simplistic approach to everything they spew, when in fact even their experience is called into question by the way they approach the projects. This week they are tile experts on a DIY Forum, last week they were assembling your hamburgers at Burger King.
i sure am trying to get it. but i do miss things. i guess that is why i "over think" things. i'm trying to find something i may be missing. and i do "mis things"


yeah, i am sure i am in that catagory sometimes.
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The capital "M" isn't odd at all. How about Kerdi Drain? It's a real specific thing, not just a drain. How about thin set v thinset? I've done it both ways. There's many more examples that seem too petty right now. Why does the cap M bother you?

What bothers me more is the lack of proper English in terms of things we were supposed to learn by the 6th grade.

There, when their should be used.
Their when they're should be used.
Weather instead of whether.
People that write ect. instead of the correct etc. It's not ec cetera, it's et cetera.
We could go on for ever................

Maybe we can start a thread just for laughs. We'll call it "English as a 2nd Language" Opps.......did I do that?

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The capital "M" isn't odd at all. How about Kerdi Drain? It's a real specific thing, not just a drain. How about thin set v thinset? I've done it both ways. There's many more examples that seem too petty right now. Why does the cap M bother you?
It doesn't bother me. I find it curious because it is odd. And you're making my point for me

Kerdi Drain is a specific thing, you're correct. That is how Schluter writes it (usually in all caps actually.)

http://www.schluter.com/8_2_kerdi_drain.aspx

The capital M on Kerdi Mat is odd because according to Schluter there is no such thing. There is Kerdi, Kerdi Drain, Kerdi Band, Kerdi Seal, Kerdi Kereck, Kerdi Flex, Kerdi Board, Kerdi Shower, and Kerdi Fix. But there is no such thing as Kerdi Mat anywhere in any Schluter document, ever.

http://www.schluter.com/143.aspx

So I was curious why someone who is so familiar with Schluter products would consistently use that term. It seems to me he just added the word "mat" on his own, and then capitalized it to make it look official, and that seems confusing to me. But I'm just guessing, so that's why I asked him about it.

Besides, "mat" usually means something that goes on the floor. So if you wrote "Ditra mat", that would make some sense. "Ditra Mat" would be odd. So is "Kerdi Mat" - especially so, since it's used on walls more often than floors.

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What bothers me more is the lack of proper English in terms of things we were supposed to learn by the 6th grade.
Yeah I know, that bugs me too. I only try to correct typos when they change the meaning of the post. Someone recently wrote "put on primer 2 coats finish paint". Does that mean "put on 2 coats of primer, then finish paint", or "put on primer, then 2 coats of finish paint"?

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