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Old 01-15-2019, 12:26 PM   #46
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I agree with the kickout, I usually do one stud on 1piece or the width of a bullnose for a tub. But I prefer cementious board for tile, I don't bother behind acrylic/fg because if you want eye candy then don't use acrylic/fg in the first place.
You wouldn't need cement board out here as with out tile it would just be drywall so you just tile over the drywall. It's not about water.
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Sounds like you're headed in the right direction now. I thought the laundry was existing, if so find where its line runs and a floor drain (if have by the furnace), and post a new drawing in the plumbing section. Your waste and vent can and should be made much simpler than your first attempt which the plumbers might not see it here.

IMO the tile: usually the purpose of a prefab surround is to forego the cost of tile. Tile is obviously better than the scratches the acrylic or fiberglass surround will get, so to go to that much trouble for the backer and install you might as well do a full tile surround. Or just stick with a 1 piece tub/shower or 2-4 piece unit with no tile.
One of my reasons for prefab was also avoiding tile.

Laundry does not currently exist. Utility sink was adjacent to the main stack, which drained unvented (illegally, or "grandfathered") into the stack I am designing around.

Here is where the planned laundry area is (and hopefully you can make out the HVAC and water heater, they are existing, used to live where the bathroom was).

Red box is the footprint of a washer dryer stack. Red circle on the wall is the dryer vent location, about 60" up. I am hoping to reuse the dryer exhaust vent.

Plumbing should show where I plan a utility sink.

There is no floor drain. I was waiting on a bathroom layout before I planned the laundry room.

I have been recently considering adding a floor drain in the laundry area, that blue circle on the floor is the sump pit... I would prefer to drain to that if legal. I would have to think twice to adding my current plumbing plan, its pretty involved right now.

Also attached is my latest plumbing plan its a little rough and still needs a review... (doesn't account for LAV/bar sink venting)
green = shower/tub
orange = existing stack/building drain
purple = laundry sink
blue = stand pipe (clothes washer)
red = toilet drain
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Old 01-15-2019, 07:19 PM   #48
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The flange behind the drywall kicks it out right at the tub so the builders all just have the drywall stopped at the flange and do a row of the cheapest white tile they can find, and it looks good.
Instead of have these kind of problems.
I agree tile solves those problems. I'll have to see if I will have those problems when the actual tub is on site, then I can modify the plans. In the bigger scheme, those plan modifications 'should' be relatively minor and I think they can be delayed in the design process for now.
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I agree tile solves those problems. I'll have to see if I will have those problems when the actual tub is on site, then I can modify the plans. In the bigger scheme, those plan modifications 'should' be relatively minor and I think they can be delayed in the design process for now.
I just wanted you to know the pitfalls so you can be prepared for them or avoid them.
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Like this.
Wow, that is just about the worse thing I have ever seen - all that nice tile around a cheap plastic tub/shower - I'm not sure I've ever seen that before

OP - PLEASE don't put in a cheap plastic tub/shower like that - do it right and put is a decent tub and some nice tile for the surround, either all the way to the ceiling or a foot or so above the shower head depending on yor particular situation
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I just wanted you to know the pitfalls so you can be prepared for them or avoid them.
And that kind of input is exactly why I put this on a forum. Passive research was only getting me so far. So in summary, it can be done without tiles, and not be a hack job, but will be more work. This pitfall doesn't look too bad.
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And that kind of input is exactly why I put this on a forum. Passive research was only getting me so far. So in summary, it can be done without tiles, and not be a hack job, but will be more work. This pitfall doesn't look too bad.

If you change you mind about $80
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Wow, that is just about the worse thing I have ever seen - all that nice tile around a cheap plastic tub/shower - I'm not sure I've ever seen that before

OP - PLEASE don't put in a cheap plastic tub/shower like that - do it right and put is a decent tub and some nice tile for the surround, either all the way to the ceiling or a foot or so above the shower head depending on yor particular situation
Although I kind of agree, the functional design is tough enough without adding cosmetics to it. Unless cosmetics affect the hole size it all goes in, I'd rather put it on pause. Tub/shower still goes in a 60"x32" hole regardless right?

On a side note, I have narrowed it down to 1 piece with walls ("simple", low maintenance, includes wall shelves) or tub with tile walls (better looking, "more maintenance", more work for wall shelves...). Not a fan of a 2+ piece, as it the worst of both worlds, and the best of neither.

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Someone mentioned a floor drain... I think roughly this location is where it would go right (red circle on floor)?

I'm kind of on the edge for this. I know the floor is flat because when I smashed the toilet (accident I swear) the water just spread out evenly. I had to squeegee it to the sump pit.

My line of thinking is, to actually work, a floor drain would need a sloped floor (which I do not have). This means building up the floor, or "shaving concrete", which does not sound pleasurable, or something else extreme.

So I am leaning towards not putting in a floor drain. Am I exaggerating the difficulty vs practicality of a floor drain?
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Someone mentioned a floor drain... I think roughly this location is where it would go right?

I'm kind of on the edge for this. I know the floor is flat because when I smashed the toilet (accident I swear) the water just spread out evenly. I had to squeegee it to the sump pit.

My line of thinking is, to actually work, a floor drain would need a sloped floor (which I do not have). This means building up the floor, or "shaving concrete", which does not sound pleasurable, or something else extreme.

So I am leaning towards not putting in a floor drain. Am I exaggerating the difficulty vs practicality of a floor drain?
We have a floor drain right by the hot water tank with a trap and it goes to the sewer, it also has a primer valve the feed it a dribble or water when you run water in the house to keep the trap full the PRV is piped right into it. .
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We have a floor drain right by the hot water tank with a trap and it goes to the sewer, it also has a primer valve the feed it a dribble or water when you run water in the house to keep the trap full the PRV is piped right into it. .
Slick idea for keeping the p-trap primed.
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Slick idea for keeping the p-trap primed.
It let's you know when the primer quits working too. Smelly.


It's code here to catch the water from a leaking water tank.
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It let's you know when the primer quits working too. Smelly.


It's code here to catch the water from a leaking water tank.
My "plan" for a leaking water tank was this...

Water heater sits slightly overlapping sump pit (blue circle) by about 4 inches. Then just design the floor plan to contain/drain any excess/overflow that the pit didn't catch in the unfinished portion, back to the pit.

I was going to do a hybrid finish job in that area. Tile baseboards in yellow, build a gradual slope (or not) and finish with stained epoxy sealant on floor. Tile the hallway (thin brown squiggly lines area).

Paint the cinderblock walls. Nothing fancy, just make the area clean and unfinished from the cinderblocks down (about 50" high). Above that, do drywall/paint/trim. Put sliding closet doors to hide HVAC stuff.
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My "plan" for a leaking water tank was this...

Water heater sits slightly overlapping sump pit (blue circle) by about 4 inches. Then just design the floor plan to contain/drain any excess/overflow that the pit didn't catch in the unfinished portion, back to the pit.

I was going to do a hybrid finish job in that area. Tile baseboards in yellow, build a gradual slope (or not) and finish with stained epoxy sealant on floor. Tile the hallway (thin brown squiggly likes area).

Paint the cinderblock walls. Nothing fancy, just make the area clean and unfinished from the cinderblocks down (about 50" high). Above that, do drywall/paint/trim. Put sliding closet doors to hide HVAC stuff.
That sounds like a plan but if you ever want to finish the basement you will be out of luck, the tub will have a flange that you usually hide with drywall and tile or backer and tile.
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