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Old 05-28-2019, 08:47 AM   #1
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Installing new cabinets on crooked walls...


In the midst of a kitchen remodel in which we are installing IKEA boxes (frameless) that will eventually get Shaker style doors/drawers.

I've got a couple scenarios where an upper cabinet (40" tall) and a full height cabinet (90" + 4.5" legs) are next to a wall that's not parallel to the cabinet box. Now i realize alot of people use filler strips to deal with this problem. My plan is not to use them because i wanted to minimize anything beyond the door/drawer frames being visible. Plus, based on my cabinet sizes and their relationship to the walls, i don't have the issue of the pulls hitting the walls.

So how do i go about fixing/hiding the gaps?

On the 90" tall cabinet, it goes from touching being tight to the cabinet box at the bottom to a 1/2-5/8" gap at the top. This particular wall is flush with the face of the box.

On the 40" upper, it goes from 1/8" at bottom to 3/8" at top. Aside from this wall not being vertical, it also bows from front to back, hence the gap at the top and bottom. This upper is 15" deep and the wall next to it is 17" deep.


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The only thing I can think of right off the top of my head is to pull strings and shim out to what ever it takes to make the wall right, then hang your cabinets.
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Maybe i wasn't 100% clear. The walls that are causing gaps are next to the cabinets, not the ones behind the cabinet that they are actually hung on. Since i don't have actual photos handy, here is a screen capture from the rendering software.

Its the wall to the right of the upper at the top right of the photo and it's the wall to the right of the tall cabinet near the left center of the photo.
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Maybe i wasn't 100% clear. The walls that are causing gaps are next to the cabinets, not the ones behind the cabinet that they are actually hung on. Since i don't have actual photos handy, here is a screen capture from the rendering software.

Its the wall to the right of the upper at the top right of the photo and it's the wall to the right of the tall cabinet near the left center of the photo.
Sorry, I misunderstood. That is a different story, that is going to be tough to fix without a lot of work. The only thing I can think of right now is furr the wall plumb and resheet rock or a filler that you don't want, or leave it as is. I wish I had a way to easily fix that for you but I don't.
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This is why kitchen designers never put a cabinet directly against a wall. There is always a filler to accommodate for out of plumb walls. I suggest using a filler. It can be narrow, perhaps only an inch or less at the narrow part.
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A crap ton of caulk.

Or a little caulk and some foam backer rod.
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The other reason for using fillers, is that the rear inside corner of the wall is usually thicker with drywall mud, which keeps the cabinet side from going flat against the side wall- even if the wall is perfectly plumb.
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I've got a couple scenarios where an upper cabinet (40" tall) and a full height cabinet (90" + 4.5" legs) are next to a wall that's not parallel to the cabinet box. Now i realize alot of people use filler strips to deal with this problem. My plan is not to use them because i wanted to minimize anything beyond the door/drawer frames being visible. Plus, based on my cabinet sizes and their relationship to the walls, i don't have the issue of the pulls hitting the walls.

Guess, I'm confused.....you "wanted to minimize anything beyond the door/drawer frames being visible."..... but you want to hide the void....

Only way I know how to do that is re-rock the walls vertical....
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How much extra room is there to work with if any?
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To me, from what I've read and see in the rendering and the photos is this...

Life is full of compromises because we just can't/don't always get everything we want.

The only solution I see is to use filler material to cover the gaps. Before you dismiss that completely, though, consider this... fillers can be solid flat boards which are custom scribed to fill in gaps, or in some cases, as with your full height cabinet butted up to the wall, you can cover the gap with a piece of transitional/decorative molding to make the whole arrangement appear more intentional, and less like either an afterthought or cover-up.
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Re: Installing new cabinets on crooked walls...


What we did with the "backs" on our non-plumb walls is shim and we put a quarter round molding to cover any gaps that are visible. We also scribed the face frame edge of one of the cabinets that went against an out of plumb side wall.
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if you insist on being a perfectionist then re rock to square up the walls. Even then after taping you will most likely have to caulk a bit.

Otherwise shim and filler strips are the remedy.

Most all walls and floors are out of square---3/16 or less can be caulked, 1/4 or more should be brought in to plane.

Any floor cabinet boxes should be started at the hi point of the full kitchen--use a laser to find that.
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if you insist on being a perfectionist then re rock to square up the walls. Even then after taping you will most likely have to caulk a bit.
Right! I mean, what's to guarantee that your framing is even straight?
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