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Old 01-04-2019, 06:45 AM   #1
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Installing Elderly Safety Bar In Shower For Mom


My 80+ year old mom needs this to prevent a fall.


My brother used a stud finder in a tiled shower stall for mom & couldn't find one. I was not here to check his work. Mom's house was built in 1959 and shower is original to house. Am in No. California. He drilled into tile anyway and left holes.



Did builders not use horizontal or vertical wood slats in all rooms back then everywhere? Is there a specific stud finder for tile?



Brother is not careful or thorough. Thought he would be for mom.... I'm stepping in to be the helper here to get job done and plug holes in tile to prevent mold. TY for any suggestions!!
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Does the tile go all the way to the ceiling? can you locate the studs on the other side of the wall? Most builders don't add blocking to accommodate safety bars.
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Get a better stud finder, some of the cheapies, won't find a stud sitting on one.

1959 should have studding, at either 16" or 24" on center.

As suggested try above the tile if possible, or from the next room, and measure distance from a shared wall, then transfer the measure to the shower side.

One can also use a stiff wire probe through one of the bad holes, to find a stud, poke the wire through the hole, until you touch a stud, mark the distance on the wire, pull the wire, place wire on wall, with mark at the hole, now you know where studding should be, try again.

Good for you, taking care of mom, she gave you everything as a child, it's time that you reciprocate as much as you can.

It shows good character in yourself wanting to help her.


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Above advice is very good.
I'm only 71 and still doing pretty good, but I'm already adding a couple of grab bars. The unfortunate part about a fall is once you know you are falling it is probably too late to protect yourself. Expensive, but the sit down tub/showers are probably the best. If the shower is big enough just a sit down feature would help.

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Does the tile go all the way to the ceiling? can you locate the studs on the other side of the wall? Most builders don't add blocking to accommodate safety bars.

Hi, No. The tile is 6.5 ft tall from the shower floor. There's a few feet of drywall above. There's another bathroom on the opposite side. Just a bath - my dad capped off the shower in that one 20 years ago.


We have a chair but mom won't use it. It makes her feel old. She likes grab bar idea better. Thanks for help!!
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Old 01-04-2019, 08:03 AM   #6
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There is a fairly new product called a stud-less grab bar mount sold at Home Cheapo.
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Most any stud finder will find the studs above the tile, just follow them in a straight line down the tile. You can buy safety bars that will reach from one stud to another.


As for the errant holes you can either use grout that is the same color as the tile or silicone caulk.
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Just tried my Zircon i65 on the tiled backsplash in my kitchen. Just below an outlet I knew there would be a stud on one side or the other and sure enough it lit up on the left. This isn't the newest model and not all that expensive. Be sure your brother is using what he has correctly by locating studs in drywall where you know they should be.

If you need a better one, maybe the rental places have a reasonable option?

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What good is a stud finder when the studs are 16" OC & the length of grab bars are not multiples of 16 so you can mount it in one stud only? Even if you can find 2 studs to use, the mounting flange is wider than a 2x4. As I said, Homely Depot sells a stud-less mount which I haven't tried yet.
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What good is a stud finder when the studs are 16" OC & the length of grab bars are not multiples of 16 so you can mount it in one stud only? Even if you can find 2 studs to use, the mounting flange is wider than a 2x4. As I said, Homely Depot sells a stud-less mount which I haven't tried yet.
NIX on that studless mount, it's only a rubber suction cup thing, and with any weight, it releases easy.

And with age the rubber will decay, and be useless.

At least all the studless ones that I have looked at, I would not trust.

Tell your mom that younger people use a shower chair, I for one need one to scrub my carcass, I lost a leg below the knee 18 months ago, and my everything changed.

So it's not a matter of feeling old, it's a matter of hygiene.

Best scenario, is to have a built for handicapped shower built, with a designated seat, and wand , and grab handles, walk in.

But as an alternative, you are doing the best that you can.


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NIX on that studless mount, it's only a rubber suction cup thing, and with any weight, it releases easy.
Then I had the wrong product. There is something better.
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Remove the tile and backer board and add 2x12 blocking between the studs - Jesus - it's ur mom and she's 80 for God's sake - do it up right for her !
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How much does mom weigh?
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[QUOTE=de-nagorg;5728859]NIX on that studless mount, it's only a rubber suction cup thing, and with any weight, it releases easy.

And with age the rubber will decay, and be useless.

At least all the studless ones that I have looked at, I would not trust.

Tell your mom that younger people use a shower chair, I for one need one to scrub my carcass, I lost a leg below the knee 18 months ago, and my everything changed.

So it's not a matter of feeling old, it's a matter of hygiene.

Best scenario, is to have a built for handicapped shower built, with a designated seat, and wand , and grab handles, walk in.

But as an alternative, you are doing the best that you can.


This is a studless mount , not the rubber suction cup you mentioned.


https://www.supplyworks.com/Sku/8039...saAnVwEALw_wcB
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What good is a stud finder when the studs are 16" OC & the length of grab bars are not multiples of 16 so you can mount it in one stud only?
Good point.


I have never mounted a shower grab bar, but when I search it, I see they are often shown being mounted vertically, so that they can be mounted on one stud.


Moen makes this system, but its basically the same principal as a toggle bolt.
https://www.moen.ca/products/Moen_Ho...Pair/SMA1000CH
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