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Old 04-24-2016, 07:03 PM   #16
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OK, if my straight edge is straight (and I think it is....), the gap on the left is 1/2" actually (the length of the straight edge is 8', which is the length of the cabinet row)
So with a 1/2" gap, I could shim to split that gap and have 1/4" on each end. Then a backsplash should hide the gap....Is this something acceptable?
What do you think?
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1/4" gap isn't getting me too excited in a garage. What are you using for a top and splash if any?
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Do it once and do it right. Fix the stud.
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I've dealt with this same problem.

Shimmed the cabinets and then when the countertop with a granite backsplash was installed, we cut the sheetrock so the backsplash had a slightly lesser reveal across the length.

No way you can tell unless you stick you head up under the wall cabinets and make a seriously painful effort to look down the line.

I quickly realized there pretty much was no way to open up the wall in a wild attempt to get that 1/2" or so in several places.
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I've dealt with this same problem.

Shimmed the cabinets and then when the countertop with a granite backsplash was installed, we cut the sheetrock so the backsplash had a slightly lesser reveal across the length.

No way you can tell unless you stick you head up under the wall cabinets and make a seriously painful effort to look down the line.

I quickly realized there pretty much was no way to open up the wall in a wild attempt to get that 1/2" or so in several places.
He said it 3/4" out. Splashes are typically 1 1/4" - 1 1/2" thick. Which means you will definitely will see the drywall overlapping the splash without shooting the wall. It also means no tile on the backsplash either. It's hackery to cut the drywall and shove the splash in the wall. I would hate to collect money from a client half as$ing work like that.

Also, how was there no way to open the wall and plane it. I guess when you don't know what you are doing it could seem impossible, but it's rather easy.

They sell drywall shims just for this purpose. You also pull out your planer and plane out the ones that are sticking into the room. It's really not that hard. Cut out the drywall, fix the studs and put it back up.
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When you cut the countertop/back splash into the drywall as you suggest there are implications. ie: the countertop may not overhang enough to extend past the doors and handles or there will be visible gaps at the ends of the countertops.

Pull the drywall, fix the stud and everything is good. Most of the drywall repair is behind the cabinets and uppers, so the repatch is easy and everything fits well and looks good. Even better would be to tile the wall above the backsplash to the underside of the uppers.
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He said it 3/4" out.
Then stated it was much less, at 1/2" which would mean a 1/4" gap at each end. I guess you didn't notice that?

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Splashes are typically 1 1/4" - 1 1/2" thick. Which means you will definitely will see the drywall overlapping the splash without shooting the wall. It also means no tile on the backsplash either.
Typical granite is 1 1/4" so in my case, it actually looks better recessed since there's less reveal at 3/4", and it would still allow for tile. Although I don't beleive it's the norm to have both tile and a granite splash.

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When you cut the countertop/back splash into the drywall as you suggest there are implications. ie: the countertop may not overhang enough to extend past the doors and handles or there will be visible gaps at the ends of the countertops.
I said nothing about having the counter top being cut into the drywall. It was not. It didn't need to be.

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Pull the drywall, fix the stud and everything is good. Most of the drywall repair is behind the cabinets and uppers, so the repatch is easy and everything fits well and looks good. Even better would be to tile the wall above the backsplash to the underside of the uppers.

In SOME cases, some of this would be true. SOME cases.

With a simple counter top and backsplash kitchen update it isn't necessarily an option to open up the wall and plane a stud, or studs.

Tile from the countertop up to the wall cabinets is pretty much standard fare here. But only when there is no backsplash.

Tile above a 4" granite backsplash isn't typical in this area, and I've not seen it done around the area (based on thousands of high end homes I've worked on).
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With a simple counter top and backsplash kitchen update it isn't necessarily an option to open up the wall and plane a stud, or studs.

Tile from the countertop up to the wall cabinets is pretty much standard fare here. But only when there is no backsplash.

Tile above a 4" granite backsplash isn't typical in this area, and I've not seen it done around the area (based on thousands of high end homes I've worked on).
We do backsplash installations all of the time and do just that if the wall is wavy. We remove the drywall and plane the offending stud. Often we can also shim the stud with drywall shims.

Most of the time if the granite is installed we will remove and install tile from the top up like you said is common in your area, however there have been times that we have installed tile from the granite backsplash up.

Here's one we did one Saturday morning. Notice the work we did with the cabinet and top? Yes, we raised the top so that both sides would be level with each other. Notice the DW patch? Yep, we removed it to plane down a stud.

BTW, this isn't a million dollar mansion, just your run of the mill $550,000 home. That's the care and attention we give our clients.

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Thanks for all your comments.....
I should have mentioned this is not a kitchen, but a bathroom. So no upper cabinets. And yes I know, kitchen cabinets are deeper, but it's OK in my master bathroom
I said the wall was pretty flat on the right side on 55", then goes with an outward angle after that stud
Should I open the wall on the whole 8 ft? If I just open 1 cavity each side of that stud, will the transition be "smooth" enough on only 32" span?
By the way which tool do you use to cut the drywall?
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Don’t fight each other because of my project……!!!
Keep in mind this is a DIY forum
If I do it myself, I decide how I want to do it. If I want to do compromises, even though it’s not the ideal perfect method that will give the best possible results, at least it’s my decision
But if I were to pay a contractor to do it, I would for sure want to now the different options. I would expect him to tell me “Hey, you wall is off, we can shim and it won’t be perfect, or we can do it perfect and redo the wall first, but it will cost more”
Then depending on the price, I would make my decision

I will double check again tonight and see how it will look like if I split the gap each end…..
I know fixing the wall is certainly the best way to make it right, but I find this an “intimidating” task…..
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Keep in mind this is a DIY forum
Then from another DIYer I would be inclined to rip off all the drywall from that wall - fix the suds as required and put new drywall on the whole wall. If its a bathroom, the wall probably isn't all that big, and corner joints are going to be easier to finish than butt joints in the middle of the wall. Figure you are going to be painting the room anyways.
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Then from another DIYer I would be inclined to rip off all the drywall from that wall - fix the suds as required and put new drywall on the whole wall. If its a bathroom, the wall probably isn't all that big, and corner joints are going to be easier to finish than butt joints in the middle of the wall. Figure you are going to be painting the room anyways.
Well, wall is 16' long, and includes a window.....!!!
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Don’t fight each other because of my project……!!!
Not fighting, just pointing out that there IS a different way to correct this minor issue, and it is not a hack job, but rather a method that works, and works well, but doesn't fit into some peoples ideas on how things should be done.


BUT!

That said. you CAN simply purchase "Deco Strips" or "Cover Panels" for those Ikea cabinets.

They will work, you won't have to open up the wall, but that option will require another trip to Ikea.
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I did measure more accurately, and when I split the gap at both ends, I end up with 5.5 mm (yeah.....I'm French, so mm is much easier for me )
5.5 mm is 7/32"
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