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Old 06-03-2013, 11:25 AM   #1
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Help! Wall Tile Repair with No Substrate?


Hi,
I have a tricky question and would really appreciate any advice. I need to replace bathroom wall 6 tiles around my shower hardware.

The confusing part for me is that it is floating tile. There is no substrate behind it. This section of the tile leads to an access panel. When you look through the access panel at the other intact tiles, they are floating or sitting on top of each other.

Most of the online guides show how to repair tile with substrate. How do I do it without?

I currently plan on purchasing tile nippers to fit the tile around the pipes (not sure if that is the best language). I will use a utility knife to score. Dry fit. then I don't know what to do from there.

Do I need thinset with a latex additive or just grout? What type of grout? Do I need tile spacers?

I was thinking that I would put in tile spacers and grout 1 tile in, let it partially dry, remove the spacer, then fill the little hole. I would do one tile, let it dry, then move to the space above. Can I do all of the tiles at once? If so, how will they hold themselves in place? Painters tape?

Also, the tiles are about 4in by 4in and are ceramic.

Once the tile is done, I will put on the hardware.

I really need some tips. I called a company to do this and it was more than I could afford.

Thanks!
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As you have been told on the other web sites you posted on, more then likly at one time there was drywall there at one time and it's all now rotted away.
Post a picture as everyone's asked for so we can see what your seeing.
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:45 PM   #3
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Help! Wall Tile Repair with No Substrate?


Hi,
I have a tricky question and would really appreciate any advice. I need to replace 6 bathroom wall tiles around my shower hardware.

The confusing part for me is that it is floating tile. There is no substrate behind it. This section of the tile leads to an access panel. When you look through the access panel at the other intact tiles, they are floating or sitting on top of each other. I wonder if the substrate was removed at one point.

Most of the online guides show how to repair tile with substrate. How do I do it without?

I currently plan on purchasing tile nippers to fit the tile around the pipes (not sure if that is the best language). I will use a utility knife to score. Dry fit. then I don't know what to do from there.

Do I need thinset with a latex additive or just grout? What type of grout? Do I need tile spacers?

I was thinking that I would put in tile spacers and grout 1 tile in, let it partially dry, remove the spacer, then fill the little hole. I would do one tile, let it dry, then move to the space above. Can I do all of the tiles at once? If so, how will they hold themselves in place? Painters tape, temporary cardboard backing?

Also, the tiles are about 4in by 4in and are ceramic.

Once the tile is done, I will put on the hardware.

I really need some tips.

Thanks!
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pictures would make it much clearer
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I need to replace 6 bathroom wall tiles...
There is no substrate behind it.
What *IS* behind the wall where the tile goes?

Ideally it's a closet or another room.
Plan to cut a big hole in THAT wall for access.

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I really need some tips.
What you NEED is a substrate.
By hook or by crook you need to get *something* in there.

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This same poster has posted on other websites and all over here and has never replyed or posted any pictures, Hmm.
May need a sky hook or a bucket of sparks to hold those tiles in place.
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Floating tiles, huh? That's a new one on me. Mine always sink to the bottom.

Hope the OP returns with pictures or additional explanation. This sounds interesting.
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Hi Everyone,
As for the picture, I don't have one. I live in Chicago, and rent out my old home in Cincinnati. I will be returning there next week to work on this issue, along with several other projects.

Further explanation: The grout is the only thing holding the tile in place. There is nothing behind it, no wall, no mortar. I would think this would make the tile weak, but the wall of tile is strong and in good condition. Behind the tile, are plumbing pipes and an access panel that leads to a closet.

I hope that gives further information. I wish I had a picture to help. I am trying my best to learn about this issue before I head back to Cincinnati.

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Joe,
As for the picture, I don't have one. I live in Chicago, and rent out my old home in Cincinnati. I will be returning there next week to work on this issue, along with several other projects.

Further explanation: The grout is the only thing holding the tile in place. There is nothing behind it, no wall, no mortar. I would think this would make the tile weak, but the wall of tile is strong and in good condition. Behind the tile, are plumbing pipes and an access panel that leads to a closet.

I hope that gives further information. I wish I had a picture to help. I am trying my best to learn about this issue before I head back to Cincinnati.

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If that was true then one tap and the tile would just fall out.
Tile has to have a soild non flexing backing or it will just fall apart.
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Behind the tile, are plumbing pipes and an access panel that leads to a closet.
That's where you need to focus your attention.
Get in there and fix/replace as needed.
Restore the substrate.
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The grout is the only thing holding the tile in place. There is nothing behind it, no wall, no mortar.
I don't doubt what you say, but having done my share of tiling over the years, I submit it could not possibly have been originally built that way. There had to have been substrate and mortar - grout is simply not strong enough, and would not have been able to hold the tiles in place while it dried; that's not what grout is designed for.

I have seen showers in older houses where the original substrate was drywall, but it had completely rotted away. I suspect something similar has happened in this case.
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Thanks for your thoughts


Thanks for your thoughts everyone.

Everyone has their starting point in learning how to fix things, so I appreciate all your comments.

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Well, Joe, it is true. Maybe you have not had enough experience yet to come across something like this.

If anyone else has any constructive comments, I would appreciate those.
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You need to be careful what you get started with.
I have no clue, but a good idea why you think you need to replace the 6 tiles.
If it is bad as I and a few others think it could be.
You pull one tile and the whole wall of tiles could come down like a house of cards. I can not imagine how they could not. And is only like a jigsaw puzzle locking the others in place now.

So if it is to costly to hire a pro to fix this, you may want to consider cheaper alternatives until you can. Possibly remove the tile, replace with drywall, then some sort of plastic surround instead of tile?

It gets scary when you are a out of town landlord, no experience with how much time, prep, materials it takes to rebuild a shower tile properly.
What if you find floor rot and mold in the wall?
Do your research, make a plan, prepare for the worse, hope for the best.
If you can not stay and finish the job once you start it, you could make your rental unlivable and lose that income also.
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