Advice On Bathroom Remodel - Kitchen & Bath Remodeling - Page 4 - DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum
Advertisement


Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Remodeling > Kitchen & Bath Remodeling

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Old 06-24-2015, 08:22 PM   #46
Tileguy
 
JazMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Troy, Michigan
Posts: 6,023
Rewards Points: 748
Default


Although it's a good idea, it may not be necessary or required to have an air chamber at every open/fixture. I just looked around here and didn't find any in one of the upstairs bathroom, either tub/shower or vanity. Which might be why when that toilet shuts off, you know it.

They may not even be required in some parts of the country. Kinda like pre-slopes under shower pans. I'll bet the Universal Plumbing Code says you need them, but the various local officials have the option of not following all the codes.

Jaz
__________________
TILE GUY - retired- TROY, MI - Method & Product suitability consulting.

MARBLE from ITALY & GREECE -PERLATO-PERLATINO-BOTTICINO-THASSOS-SIVEC-VOLAKAS-CALACATTA- NAXOS-Slabs-Tiles-Custom containers shipped to you - [email protected]
JazMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 06-25-2015, 05:11 AM   #47
Retired Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Kane county,Illinois
Posts: 25,728
Rewards Points: 7,174
Default


The tub is usually placed on the subfloor, then the area to be tiled is covered with backer--no need for backer under the tub---

The backer and tile will hide any small gap at the tub skirt that might be caused when leveling the tub on a less than perfect floor.
__________________
New members: Adding your location to your profile helps in many ways.--M--
oh'mike is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 06-25-2015, 07:28 AM   #48
Member
 
Solidify's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 1,278
Rewards Points: 834
Default


Ok. I would like to establish a list of tasks that must be established in order of priority (please correct if necessary):

1. Repair joist
2. Frame exterior wall and insulate
3. Screw down plywood to current subfloor
4. Install tub
5. Plumb the tub drain
6. Plumb the shower valve (possibly replace valve)
7. Install cement board on floor's plywood
8. Tile floor over cement board
9. Cement board surrounding tub area and waterproof with membrane
10. Tile tubbed area
Solidify is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 06-25-2015, 10:19 AM   #49
Tileguy
 
JazMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Troy, Michigan
Posts: 6,023
Rewards Points: 748
Default


Those are the things you'll be doing alright, but I would do them in a different order.

After # 6 I would do # 9 then # 7 followed by # 10 and finally # 8.

Can you xplain your plans for waterproofing in #9 and the adhesive you plan to use for the wall & floor.

Jaz
__________________
TILE GUY - retired- TROY, MI - Method & Product suitability consulting.

MARBLE from ITALY & GREECE -PERLATO-PERLATINO-BOTTICINO-THASSOS-SIVEC-VOLAKAS-CALACATTA- NAXOS-Slabs-Tiles-Custom containers shipped to you - [email protected]
JazMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2015, 10:42 AM   #50
Member
 
Solidify's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 1,278
Rewards Points: 834
Default

Advice on Bathroom Remodel


Versabond Thinset Mortar for tiles
Hydro Barrier (or Redguard) waterproofing membrane
Fiberglass mesh tape for seams and corners

Last edited by Solidify; 06-25-2015 at 10:49 AM.
Solidify is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2015, 05:49 PM   #51
Retired Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Kane county,Illinois
Posts: 25,728
Rewards Points: 7,174
Default


Sounds good to me---if you tape the seams with thinset---use a thin layer--you do not want a hump that will make the tile stick out--thin--very thin.
__________________
New members: Adding your location to your profile helps in many ways.--M--
oh'mike is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to oh'mike For This Useful Post:
JazMan (06-25-2015)
Old 06-25-2015, 08:15 PM   #52
Member
 
Solidify's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 1,278
Rewards Points: 834
Default

Advice on Bathroom Remodel


Am I supposed to be taping the seams with thinset? I thought that's what the waterproofing membrane is for...

I'm curious, what were those amateur mistakes that you spotted earlier in the video?
Solidify is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2015, 08:42 PM   #53
Tileguy
 
JazMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Troy, Michigan
Posts: 6,023
Rewards Points: 748
Default


The seams of all CBU's require fiberglass mesh tape and thinset. CBU's and thinset are not adversely affected by moisture, but they are not waterproof. By waterproofing membrane do you mean sheets or liquid?

Jaz
__________________
TILE GUY - retired- TROY, MI - Method & Product suitability consulting.

MARBLE from ITALY & GREECE -PERLATO-PERLATINO-BOTTICINO-THASSOS-SIVEC-VOLAKAS-CALACATTA- NAXOS-Slabs-Tiles-Custom containers shipped to you - [email protected]
JazMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2015, 09:16 PM   #54
Member
 
Solidify's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 1,278
Rewards Points: 834
Default

Advice on Bathroom Remodel


Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMan View Post
The seams of all CBU's require fiberglass mesh tape and thinset.CBU's and thinset are not adversely affected by moisture, but they are not waterproof. By waterproofing membrane do you mean sheets or liquid?

Jaz

By waterproofing membrane I mean the liquid that is applied with a trowel over the fiberglass mesh tape that goes over the CBU seams. Just to clarify, this is how I will be waterproofing:

http://youtu.be/-Ql2xnSU1b8

I did not see anywhere the use of thinset over the fiberglass tape. I will only be using thinset to glue the tiles to the CBU only after the waterproofing has cured over the seams.
Solidify is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2015, 09:22 PM   #55
Member
 
Solidify's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 1,278
Rewards Points: 834
Default

Advice on Bathroom Remodel


Also, this is the tiled area that needs to be matched.

Advice on Bathroom Remodel-imageuploadedbydiy-chat1435285070.671463.jpg

I will be cleaning off some old tiles that I managed to remove in one piece and those will be applied on the floor from the tub until they meet the rest, to give the appearance that the floor was never opened.

This is the size of that tile:

Advice on Bathroom Remodel-imageuploadedbydiy-chat1435285156.607412.jpg

This is the size of the drop from the top of the existing floor tile to be matched to the current subfloor:

Advice on Bathroom Remodel-imageuploadedbydiy-chat1435285199.362876.jpg

The area is exactly 4 ft x 8 ft which is convenient since plywood comes in that size. This is that area:

Advice on Bathroom Remodel-imageuploadedbydiy-chat1435285280.486853.jpg

How many sheets of 4 x 8 ft plywood (and what thickness too) do I need to screw down over that subfloor to reach my height, bearing in mind the tile and the cement board it will be glued to?

Last edited by Solidify; 06-25-2015 at 09:42 PM.
Solidify is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2015, 10:20 PM   #56
Tileguy
 
JazMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Troy, Michigan
Posts: 6,023
Rewards Points: 748
Default


Before you continue too far, I recommend that you read the directions and also watch the Laticrete videos for the product you're gonna use. Laticrete is a good company and a liquid membrane is fine for the walls, I prefer the Kerdi method if doing a full shower. Laticrete also makes a similar system to Kerdi.

When I use a liquid membrane I prefer Laticrete Hydroban over this cheaper cousin. Hydro Barrier is more like Redgard in price.

I know this tile guy means well, but he did several things wrong in his video.

He used Hydro Barrier and the tape to tape the joints of the concrete backer. This is wrong.

He only applied the membrane on parts of the walls and only applied one coat. He accomplished almost nothing.

We don't know what he did behind the concrete backer if anything. Did he install a vapor barrier? I'll bet he did nothing, which tells us if he knew how to do this according to industry norms he could have simply applied two coats of the membrane and he'd have a good surface applied waterproofed wall.

Plus, why the heck does he use a 3" putty knife?

Be careful reading and watching stuff of the internet unless it comes from the manufacturer or it can be verified by going to the manufacturer's website or an association like the TCNA. Tile Council of North America.

Noticed you posted again, we can deal with that later.

Jaz
__________________
TILE GUY - retired- TROY, MI - Method & Product suitability consulting.

MARBLE from ITALY & GREECE -PERLATO-PERLATINO-BOTTICINO-THASSOS-SIVEC-VOLAKAS-CALACATTA- NAXOS-Slabs-Tiles-Custom containers shipped to you - [email protected]

Last edited by JazMan; 06-25-2015 at 10:23 PM.
JazMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2015, 07:12 AM   #57
Retired Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Kane county,Illinois
Posts: 25,728
Rewards Points: 7,174
Default


Generally the seams are covered with a thin layer of thinset---the tape can be filled with a thick product like Hydroban---but the cost and time involved make thinset the best option---Your call on that one----
__________________
New members: Adding your location to your profile helps in many ways.--M--
oh'mike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2015, 03:45 PM   #58
Member
 
Solidify's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 1,278
Rewards Points: 834
Default


Ok thanks Jaz, I'll continue with framing the outside wall to allow for insulation and then tend to the waterproofing when we get that far.
Solidify is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2015, 02:33 PM   #59
Member
 
Solidify's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 1,278
Rewards Points: 834
Default


New framing with new insulation:

Advice on Bathroom Remodel-imageuploadedbydiy-chat1435519965.231637.jpg

And vapour barrier:

Advice on Bathroom Remodel-imageuploadedbydiy-chat1435519979.477944.jpg
Solidify is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2015, 03:12 PM   #60
Member
 
Solidify's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 1,278
Rewards Points: 834
Default


If I'm not mistaken, the next order of business is raising the subfloor. If I can get some help with that I'd appreciate it.
Solidify is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Bathroom Remodel - Need Advice adj83 Remodeling 6 10-24-2011 11:40 PM
The Bathroom Remodel that just kept growing... gpsmith Kitchen & Bath Remodeling 1 05-28-2011 05:25 PM
Noob bathroom remodel jep Kitchen & Bath Remodeling 18 11-22-2009 10:56 AM
Bathroom Remodel MeraleeCrowl Remodeling 4 01-11-2009 07:28 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts