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Old 12-16-2017, 06:00 AM   #16
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If the bowl is caulked you might not see a leak until it soaked through the flooring. And tanks don't empty out when you flush. Holding the flapper open for 7 seconds to almost empty would be normal.
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If there is a vent problem, some times running water in the sink right after a flush will change the water levels.
If you open the trap under the sink and then flush the toilet and the water level stays high it would be a vent problem.
no traps on these sinks!
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How long have you lived there, and what is the capacity of the toilet? You can usually find that on the bowl, right behind the toilet seat. A bowl will only hold so much water. You can fill it all the way to the top with a five gallon bucket of water, and it's going to drain every time to the same level, unless it's clogged of course.

As for having to hold the handle for so long, my guess is the slack in the chain from the handle to the flapper needs to be adjusted. You need a little slack in the chain; too much and you'll be wasting water as the bowl fills with the extra going down the drain, too little and the flapper resets too quickly before the tank fills to it's proper level.
Hello. I have lived here for a year. Chain slack is fine. It's just when I flush only have the tank empties. It's: 1.6 gpf/6.0 lpf
http://www.vortens.com/files/2513/59.../3208_3464.pdf

I guess with me holding the handle for longer I'm making that 1.6gpf toilet into a 3gpf.
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If the bowl is caulked you might not see a leak until it soaked through the flooring. And tanks don't empty out when you flush. Holding the flapper open for 7 seconds to almost empty would be normal.
Not caulked and thank you for letting me know not to expect a full tank empty with each flush.
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Consider yourself fortunate.

I was not particularly impressed with that video. First he implies that holding the flush lever down empties the tank. It does not, there is always a little water left in the bottom of the tank. You must either sponge out that water or hold a bowl under the fill valve when removing. Other wise you get water on the floor when you pull the fill valve out. Next he stuck the refill tube down the overflow pipe. That is a big no-no. The refill valve must be attached to the top of the overflow. If simply stuck down the overflow pipe, when the fill valve shuts off the water in the refill tube will siphon water from the tank until the water level in the tank reaches the level of the end of the refill tube.
While the fill valve should have not been leaking that was not the problem. A leak like that is not that uncommon with the old style ball cocks. The reason for a lack of water to fill the bowl was as SeniorSitizen note, the kink in the refill tube. That kink would cause the bowl to not fill to the proper level. However, that is not the problem you have.

What you describe can only be caused by one of two things, a leaking bowl as described in the Terry Love site or a blocked or restricted vent.

If it were a blocked or restricted vent it would not happen slowly, nor would it be consistent. If it were a blocked vent it would only occur when someone up stairs flushed their toilet and the water coming down the vent/stack siphoned water from your toilet bowl. It could do that until the water level in your bowl was lowered to a level where air could be pulled in. That would happen rapidly and would only happen when the toilet upstairs was flushed. I personally think you can eliminate a blocked vent.

While I agree with that statement, and I have owned a couple condominium units, I don't think this is their problem.

That leaves you with a leaking bowl. That leak could be from a crack or from a defect in manufacturing (as described by the Terry Love site). That leak is not likely to be in the bottom of the bowl where you would see water on the floor if you pulled the toilet. If it were, you would see water on the floor and all of the water in the bowl would leak out. The leak is probably between the bowl and the trap way. Therefore the leaking water is going down the drain pipe.

Are you saying that you have two toilets that are doing the same thing. That is the impression I got at first reading but upon rereading I am not sure. To have two toilets with the same defect or leak defies reality.

Unfortunately the only way to eliminate the possibility of a cracked or defective toilet as I have described is to replace it.
Thanks for all your tips. The refill tubes are clipped and not stuffed in the overflow valve.
Yes two toilets doing the exact same thing but the water levels deminish to two different levels. One toilet ends up with about a 6" diameter pool in it the other with about a 5" diameter.
And I'd say it takes about 10 minutes maybe not even for the water level to trickle down to its new low.
Main concern is that I don't want to cause damage to the unit below me. If it is between the bowl and the trapway i could live with that.
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no traps on these sinks!
Hmmm?
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Are these toilets made by the same company?

As stated earlier, the symptoms you describe do not imply a venting problem.

However, it also stretches the imagination for you to have two toilets that are defective in the same manner or have a crack of the same type.

It makes me wonder if the manufacturer did something weird in order to get an exact water level in the bowl. I can see how he might do that in order to claim an exact water consumption for each flush.

In other words, "I'll put approximately 2 gallons in the bowl then I'll let it leak down to exactly 1.6 gallons. I know I'm wasting water but I meet the government requirements."
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