Water Heater Dying.... - Plumbing - DIY Home Improvement | DIYChatroom
Advertisement


Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Plumbing

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Like Tree7Likes
  • 2 Post By de-nagorg
  • 3 Post By Gregsoldtruck79
  • 1 Post By MTN REMODEL LLC
  • 1 Post By lenaitch
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Display Modes
Old 02-10-2018, 11:04 PM   #1
JOATMON
 
ddawg16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: S. California
Posts: 14,768
Rewards Points: 24,918
Blog Entries: 2
Default

Water Heater Dying....


Pilot went out again....this is about the 3rd time in the past year.

50 Gal Sears unit....about 15 years old....so I guess I can't complain too much. 15 years from a unit with a 12 year warranty.

I thought about just replacing the burner and flame assembly....if the parts are available....but, that is a lot of work for something that might be on it's last leg. I tried pulling out the anode to see what condition it's in. It doesn't want to budge...

On a positive note....there seems to be plenty of choices for my size...50 gal, but only 24" in dia. max.

On a negative note....I'll have to run 120Vac to the unit...new models have electronic ignition.

On a positive note....I have a box on the same wall...other side...I can tap into.

On a negative note....I'm not in the mood to do this right now.

On a positive note....I can pull 2 sides off my water heater closet to make the change out easier.

On a negative note....the new units are not cheap.....

On a positive note...they are a lot cheaper than tankless units.
__________________
Even if you are on the right track, you will still get run over if you just sit there.

My 2-Story Addition Build in Progress Link ... My Garage Build Link and My Jeep Build Link
ddawg16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 02-11-2018, 05:36 AM   #2
JUSTA MEMBER
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Central Wyoming
Posts: 14,513
Rewards Points: 3,992
Default

Re: Water Heater Dying....


Is there a possibility that there is a draft at times in the closet, maybe an open vent on a very windy day?

Another negative A sudden cold shower is a real eye opener, and when it involves the wife, an ear splitting sound for several days.

A positive, a happy wife = a happy life.

So get after this chore.


ED
MTN REMODEL LLC and DR P like this.
de-nagorg is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 02-11-2018, 05:59 AM   #3
Peace be with you
 
DR P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: in hills of Caroline USA
Posts: 933
Rewards Points: 1,860
Default

Re: Water Heater Dying....


yes your water heater is not new but I have a few questions & comments:
even though you had an upgraded anode signified by the extended warranty,
that anode rod is long gone - don't bother with the anode port
as opening up this is asking for issues IMO.

the most critical areas for replacing your tank are matching
the height of existing unit so that existing flue pipe with connect
along with the diameter of any new tank will be wider due to new
energy requirements forcing manufacturers to better insulate

when you say 3 times in past year do you mean
over 12 months or since end of December?

do you have access to the burner area?
or is this a sealed combustion chamber?

if a sealed chamber, your replacement parts
are most likely cost prohibitive and better used
toward buying a replacement water heater IMO

if not sealed the only maintenance on this tank I would
recommend would be replacement of your thermocouple
(as this may be all that is wrong with your current tank)

along with possibly replacing the T&P safety valve; at least
you should test/flush this valve to guarantee it is not clogged

not sure why you believe you will need an outlet for future heater
unless your state has done away with pilot light function?
there are now digital controls that work well with a pilot
can even help diagnose malfunctions if/when they occur

last maybe install that outlet anyway & plug in a economical leak
monitoring device placed at floor of tank to better monitor future leak

Peace


Quote:
Originally Posted by ddawg16 View Post
Pilot went out again....this is about the 3rd time in the past year.

50 Gal Sears unit....about 15 years old....so I guess I can't complain too much. 15 years from a unit with a 12 year warranty.

I thought about just replacing the burner and flame assembly....if the parts are available....but, that is a lot of work for something that might be on it's last leg. I tried pulling out the anode to see what condition it's in. It doesn't want to budge...

On a positive note....there seems to be plenty of choices for my size...50 gal, but only 24" in dia. max.

On a negative note....I'll have to run 120Vac to the unit...new models have electronic ignition.

On a positive note....I have a box on the same wall...other side...I can tap into.

On a negative note....I'm not in the mood to do this right now.

On a positive note....I can pull 2 sides off my water heater closet to make the change out easier.

On a negative note....the new units are not cheap.....

On a positive note...they are a lot cheaper than tankless units.
__________________
My comments towards your questions & concerns are based on my work history, knowledge, & past experiences; they are my opinions given freely in hopes they truly help/bless U. That said, if U don't consult with & or hire a licensed professional locally, then please don't blame me when You DIY... Bottom line - Safety 1st & Always; got that???
DR P is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 02-11-2018, 06:45 AM   #4
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 4,080
Rewards Points: 88
Default

Re: Water Heater Dying....


Don't know if this applies to the OP, but may help someone reading. Our 40 gallon gas EnviroTemp water heater has a constant burning pilot with the push button that provides a spark to light the pilot.

For about a month, the pilot flame would just randomly go out. So I did some interwebbing research on the unit and found out something interesting.

On our 12 year WH, (and a LOT of others since 2004 I think) they put a sensor on the pilot/burner assembly that kills the pilot flame, if the combustion area of the pilot assembly is not getting enough oxygen. It has a black plastic "filter" screen that wraps around the bottom of the heater to screen the debris.

After reading this article and knowing my wife has two indoor cats, I checked it out. I cleaned out some cat hair out from under the burner assembly, and problem solved ever since. I now make the cleaning, one of my 6 month house PM programs.

Dang, I see in the pic I have some tooth brush cleaning to do under the toe shoe molding.
de-nagorg, ZTMAN and BayouRunner like this.
__________________
…………………...

Last edited by Gregsoldtruck79; 02-12-2018 at 03:55 AM.
Gregsoldtruck79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2018, 08:21 AM   #5
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 2,455
Rewards Points: 564
Default

Re: Water Heater Dying....


Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregsoldtruck79 View Post
Don't know if this applies to the OP, but may help someone reading. Our 40 gallon gas EnviroTemp water heater has a constant burning pilot with the push button that provides a spark to light the pilot.

For about a month, the pilot flame would just randomly go out. So I did some interwebbing research on the unit and found out something interesting.

On our 12 year WH, (and a LOT of others since 2004 I think) they put a sensor on the pilot/burner assembly that kills the pilot flame, if the combustion area of the pilot assembly is not getting enough oxygen. It has a black plastic "filter" screen that wraps around the bottom of the heater to screen the debris.

After reading this article and knowing my wife has two indoor cats, I checked it out. I cleaned out some cat hair out from under the burner assembly, and problem solved ever since. I now make the cleaning, one of my 6 month house PM programs.

Dang, I see in the pic I have some tooth brush cleaning to do under the toe shoe molding.


I’ve seen this quite a few times as well. The screen on the bottom gets clogged even though it looks ok. We use a co2 cartridge to blow them out. An air compressor would be better. Only takes a minute. It’s only in the sealed units that this happens


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
BayouRunner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2018, 09:04 AM   #6
Remodel and New Build GC
 
MTN REMODEL LLC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Colorado @ 7651'
Posts: 9,037
Rewards Points: 1,886
Default

Re: Water Heater Dying....


Quote:
Originally Posted by ddawg16 View Post
Pilot went out again....this is about the 3rd time in the past year.

50 Gal Sears unit....about 15 years old....so I guess I can't complain too much. 15 years from a unit with a 12 year warranty.

I thought about just replacing the burner and flame assembly....if the parts are available....but, that is a lot of work for something that might be on it's last leg. I tried pulling out the anode to see what condition it's in. It doesn't want to budge...

On a positive note....there seems to be plenty of choices for my size...50 gal, but only 24" in dia. max.

On a negative note....I'll have to run 120Vac to the unit...new models have electronic ignition.

On a positive note....I have a box on the same wall...other side...I can tap into.

On a negative note....I'm not in the mood to do this right now.

On a positive note....I can pull 2 sides off my water heater closet to make the change out easier.

On a negative note....the new units are not cheap.....

On a positive note...they are a lot cheaper than tankless units.

On the negative side.... cold showers suck.
de-nagorg likes this.
__________________
Never stop learning (xcep fer speling en typeing)
MTN REMODEL LLC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2018, 09:45 AM   #7
Plumber
 
TheEplumber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: North Idaho
Posts: 11,457
Rewards Points: 290
Default

Re: Water Heater Dying....


Time to teach those Boy Scouts how to plumb!
__________________
When posting in forums, letting us know your location will help others give better feedback/advice/solutions to your questions
TheEplumber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2018, 10:21 AM   #8
JOATMON
 
ddawg16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: S. California
Posts: 14,768
Rewards Points: 24,918
Blog Entries: 2
Default

Re: Water Heater Dying....


I doubt it is a 'draft' issue. It's been in the same spot for 4 years now and only recently has there been issues.

And by recently, I mean over the past 12 months.

Here are a couple of pics. I built this 'closet' out of 14g galv. What is nice about it, it's easy to remove the side for easier access.
Attached Thumbnails
Water Heater Dying....-sept-21-2012-008.jpg   Water Heater Dying....-pc310041.jpg   Water Heater Dying....-pc310040.jpg  
__________________
Even if you are on the right track, you will still get run over if you just sit there.

My 2-Story Addition Build in Progress Link ... My Garage Build Link and My Jeep Build Link
ddawg16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2018, 02:39 PM   #9
Peace be with you
 
DR P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: in hills of Caroline USA
Posts: 933
Rewards Points: 1,860
Default

Re: Water Heater Dying....


your more critical measurement is the diameter
needs to fit back into that aquahut IMO

your tank has an unsealed burner chamber
you could/should try a thermocouple

next unit will most likely have flameguard technology
that can definitely interfere with air flow for heater

Peace
__________________
My comments towards your questions & concerns are based on my work history, knowledge, & past experiences; they are my opinions given freely in hopes they truly help/bless U. That said, if U don't consult with & or hire a licensed professional locally, then please don't blame me when You DIY... Bottom line - Safety 1st & Always; got that???
DR P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2018, 04:34 PM   #10
JOATMON
 
ddawg16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: S. California
Posts: 14,768
Rewards Points: 24,918
Blog Entries: 2
Default

Re: Water Heater Dying....


Quote:
Originally Posted by DR P View Post
your more critical measurement is the diameter
needs to fit back into that aquahut IMO

your tank has an unsealed burner chamber
you could/should try a thermocouple

next unit will most likely have flameguard technology
that can definitely interfere with air flow for heater

Peace
I've got 26" to work with....I've already found several that will work.

In my area I have to replace it with an ULN unit with electric ignition.
__________________
Even if you are on the right track, you will still get run over if you just sit there.

My 2-Story Addition Build in Progress Link ... My Garage Build Link and My Jeep Build Link
ddawg16 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2018, 05:52 PM   #11
Plumber
 
TheEplumber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: North Idaho
Posts: 11,457
Rewards Points: 290
Default

Re: Water Heater Dying....


I believe you need 1 sq in/1000 BTU or a minimum of 100 sq in. free area for combustion air per opening for that configuration. Confirm your BTU on the new unit. As it is now, your vent size looks border line.

Also, can't see your vent termination but it looks suspect for combustion and draft clearances as well.

All these items can affect the appliance's draft ability
__________________
When posting in forums, letting us know your location will help others give better feedback/advice/solutions to your questions
TheEplumber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2018, 06:40 PM   #12
Usually Confused
 
lenaitch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Central Ontario, Canada
Posts: 6,270
Rewards Points: 2,102
Default

Re: Water Heater Dying....


I never quite get used to seeing plumbing outside, in a garage, etc.

Different worlds.
de-nagorg likes this.
__________________
_________________________________________

Bydand
lenaitch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2018, 08:10 PM   #13
Remodel and New Build GC
 
MTN REMODEL LLC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Colorado @ 7651'
Posts: 9,037
Rewards Points: 1,886
Default

Re: Water Heater Dying....


Quote:
Originally Posted by lenaitch View Post
I never quite get used to seeing plumbing outside, in a garage, etc.

Different worlds.
Cali is pretty much a different world.....

Dawgy.... don't we have a government program to solve this.......
__________________
Never stop learning (xcep fer speling en typeing)
MTN REMODEL LLC is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New-ish electric hot water heater blowing fuses. roasted Electrical 33 01-11-2017 01:24 PM
water heater drip kdange1 Plumbing 6 10-29-2014 05:26 PM
STATE water heater failures SinCityKid Plumbing 5 05-02-2013 10:22 PM
How to properly drain and flush a hot water heater? speedster1 Plumbing 9 04-17-2012 09:55 PM
A blocked water line causing water to loose heat? Snav Plumbing 6 05-07-2010 02:18 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts