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Old 09-19-2015, 11:17 AM   #1
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I'm still having issues coming up with a solution for venting my new basement fixtures.

I live in a state where they are supposed to install "future vents" in the basement... But mine isn't labeled per code. I THINK I found the "future vent" but it's tied just upstream of the 1st floor bathroom sink (I ran all of the fixtures in the house, but no water came down that portion... so I'm assuming that's my future vent).

I have a toilet, urinal, two sinks (bathroom and bar) going in.

Before I cheap out and install Air admitance valves, I was hoping for some help:

1) Assuming the PVC I found is indeed the "future vent" is there any problem just screwing an adaptor into the cleanout cap and plumbing from there out? Or do I need to cut the cleanout portion out and cement a connection?

1a) Can i leave the future vent connected to the sink drain (I'm assuming it's connected so condensation can still drain out of the line), or do I need to block off that connection?

2) I know you need to pitch the main line down towards a drain to drain off any condensation: Assuming I did this, is there any problem connecting a second drain from above? (The bar sink that needs to be tied in as well is on the opposite side of the house, with a main beam going across... the only way to tie it in is to go over the beam which would bring me above the main vent line I'm using...)

3) Is there any limit to how many 45*s and 90*s you can add to a vent?

Thanks for any help!
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1. Probably ok but why does a vent have a clean out on it? Is this in the ceiling?

1a. If the basement vent is 6" above the flood rim (typically 42" above the floor) and it's 2" then it sounds ok. But your description is hard for me to follow.

2. Are talking about vents, drains or both? I thought the bar sink is going in the basement...
Once a vent goes up in elevation it cannot go down again.

3. no

Your post is hard to follow- can you add pictures?
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I don't have any pics handy, at the moment, but I'll try and get some after I get home.

Yes, the vent is in the ceiling.

From left to right in a strait line, there's a screw on cap (which I used to open and inspect the drains/vent to see if water came out). A few inches past the cap/clean out there's one Tee that I believe is the future vent. Then two inches past that is Tee for the drain
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I don't have any pics handy, at the moment, but I'll try and get some after I get home.

Yes, the vent is in the ceiling.

From left to right in a strait line, there's a screw on cap (which I used to open and inspect the drains/vent to see if water came out). A few inches past the cap/clean out there's one Tee that I believe is the future vent. Then two inches past that is Tee for the drain
If an existing 1st floor fixture drains into that line, then its not a vent for the basement.

Does the building drain exit the house under the basement floor or do you need a sewer pump?
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It drains under the slab to the city sewer. No pump needed.

What I'm assuming is the vent is actually up-stream if where the bathroom sink drains. I just figured it tied in there to drain off any condensation or rain water that may enter through the roof vent pipe.

If it's not the "future vent" then I have no idea what it is... I ran every faucet in the house and no water came through it.
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A future vent should terminate in the basement ceiling near the floor joist and be capped
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But it wouldn't be connected to another drain?

If that's not the future vent, I don't know where it is. I've pulled all the insulation and this is the only thing I can think of
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The basement vent cannot tie into the upper floor drain, but can tie into the upper floor vent.
It's really hard sometimes to follow a written description. Photos would really help
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I can't get an angle to show the whole thing nicely: maybe a crummy drawing will help?

Ugh: it keeps loading upside down for some reason? Anybody know how to invert it?
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Let's try this:
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A future vent will be a dedicated vent down from the attic and have nothing draining into it. That may be a sanitary opening for a future sink or something. I have never seen a vent that has a cleanout, carries no waste.
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Odd. It's just a colonial with not a lot of space for extra sinks anywhere.

Maybe I'll rent an inspection camera and try and follow the line up?
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That would not be a future vent. Future vents would not be tied into existing drains in the basement ceiling. They would be dead end pipes coming from the first floor. So if your reading the IPC a future vent would have been only required if they ran that basement bath at time of construction. If you installed that bath at a later time the vent would not be installed because you did not have a bath in the basement at time of construction. A future vent would also be marked future vent.

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So the question is this do you want to vent the bath of AAV it?
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That would not be a future vent. Future vents would not be tied into existing drains in the basement ceiling. They would be dead end pipes coming from the first floor. So if your reading the IPC a future vent would have been only required if they ran that basement bath at time of construction. If you installed that bath at a later time the vent would not be installed because you did not have a bath in the basement at time of construction. A future vent would also be marked future vent.
I see. I'm certainly not a master plumber by any means, so you could be 100%. I just thought I read something about MA plumbing laws that say a future vent must be installed in all new construction with a basement.

Now I'm wondering if there's any harm in using that line as a wet vent for everything....

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So the question is this do you want to vent the bath of AAV it?
I'd rather have a vent than an AAV. I believe you need to apply for special permits and go through hoops for an AAV. And with 4 fixtures to vent, I'm not sure I'd be up for the challenge (unless You can combine fixtures and utilize one AAV).

But then again, I'd rather do without any item that technically requires replacement/maintenance if I can avoid it.
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