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Old 06-22-2015, 11:03 AM   #1
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Two toilets, two problems.


Last year, I had problems with the fill valves in my new (to me) condo. Fluidmaster graciously replaced them, and, between that and a new PRV at the water entry, everything has been fine since. Now, I've two other issues.

1) "Powder Room" toilet:

This one, rarely used, recently started leaking between tank & base when flushed. No other leaks. Tank is rock steady on base. I presume this is just the gasket between the tank & base. Is there any reason to replace the whole flush valve assembly, or should I save money & just replace the gasket?

2) "Master Bath" toilet:

Since moving in, I get a growth of something black, furry, and ugly in the bowl. It's not anything from the use of the toilet, as it'll grow and develop in a clean bowl when I'm away for a week. Knocking it back with a toilet scrubber works for a while, but it comes back soon enough, like it's still living in places the brish can't reach.

I'm guessing a mold or something akin. Any suggestions on abatement? Bleach? Something else? Replace the toilet? I have one of the Fluidmaster "Flush & Sparkle" systems, with the bleach cartridge, but it doesn't keep the growth away.

The toilets are identical Crane units, new with the condo, circa 1986-87.

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Larry in NJ
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For #1 I'd just replace the gasket, I see no reason to do any more.
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Dump a full bottle of vinegar in the tank. You will find mold in the toilet tank.
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Dump a full bottle of vinegar in the tank. You will find mold in the toilet tank.
Nope. The tank is spotless. As if it were new...

The area under the rim, though, I'm not sure about.
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Have you tried plain bleach (like Clorox) in the bowl?

Save a trigger spray bottle. Fill it with bleach. Squirt it a few times while upright then turn it upside down to squirt under the rim of the toilet bowl. You will get perhaps three squirts. Then turn the bottle right side up and give it a few squirts (to other exposed parts of the bowl) to reprime the dip tube inside the bottle. Then squirt under the toilet bowl rim some more. Repeat until the entire bowl rim perimeter has been squirted. Wait about 15 minutes and then flush the toilet and then use the toilet normally.

From what direction does the black fuzzy stuff come and in what direction does it spread?

Check the two bolts that hold the toilet tank to the base (bowl). If there is leaking then the quicker you replace the bolts the less rusting together happens making it hard to remove and replace them.
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Apple cider vinegar is a fantastic fungicide.
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The black fuzzy stuff seems to just appear in the bowl, below the waterline. There is something of a ring at the waterline that collects the stuff, but I don't believe it originates there.
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Probably in the water I see it in late summer from Cleveland water supply.
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Probably in the water I see it in late summer from Cleveland water supply.
Maybe, but it doesn't grow at all in the tank, nor is the other toilet affected. Plus, it's year-round for me.
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Can that be poured in the tank? I'm wondering if the source isn't in the channels under the rim...
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Yes, the channels in the rim are a popular place for things to live. Usually your "Flush and Sparkle" would take care of that but you appear to have evolved a resistant strain (or the Flush and Sparkle is not working well). You could turn the water off to the toilet, flush to empty the tank, then hold the flapper open while you pour a bunch of vinegar down the hole to flood the rim with vinegar. Then let soak for a while to kill the baddies.
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Well, I poured a gallon of Apple Cider Vinegar through the flush valve & let it sit for an hour or so. Scrubbed a lot, too. I suppose I'll see over the next few weeks if the fuzzy stuff returns...

Thanks for the advice!
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Well, I poured a gallon of Apple Cider Vinegar through the flush valve & let it sit for an hour or so. Scrubbed a lot, too. I suppose I'll see over the next few weeks if the fuzzy stuff returns...

Thanks for the advice!
If the problem returns, maybe try some Clorox bleach tablets in your toilet tank. Just use them until all existing mold is killed.

http://www.amazon.com/Clorox-Automat...bleach+tablets

When I used them, a small left over piece of a tablet got stuck in the toilet tank's flapper causing the water to keep running trying to fill the tank. The fix was to get a small, shallow ceramic dish and put it in the tank. Then put the Clorox tablet in the shallow dish which prevented any small left over piece from drifting to the toilet flapper.

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