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Old 12-22-2014, 12:35 PM   #16
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Dumped about 10 gallons of water down the drain with the toilet off it, flowed fine NO SLOWING no signs of back up or leaks, I also snaked the drain with a 20' drain snake and had no issues
Maybe don't dismiss the suggestion that the drainage is the cause. The key may be that you said in your original post:

"I bought a house built in 2010 the upstairs toilet is leaking between the bottom of toilet and the floor. I have replaced the wax ring twice and the toilet itself, it is fine for 2 weeks or so then starts leaking again."

Maybe dumping 10 gallons was not enough. Fine for 2 weeks infers time for drain to backup before leaking again, especially since it's an upstairs toilet.

I've always been personally convinced that our toilets would not leak at the base even without a wax ring if the outlet of the toilet is centered over the drain, the drain is larger than the outlet of the toilet, as long as the drain was not partially clogged.

Reason is that we had a toilet clog and overflowing after a few days of use. I must have removed and reinstalled that toilet 8 times while troubleshooting. During troubleshooting I set the toilet without any wax ring and there was no leakage at the base when flushing. This was of course test flushing water only, not actual use #2.

Finally found that the problem was one of those cheap single barrel ball point pens stuck down far enough that it was not visible from the top or bottom of the toilet. The toilet would drain perfectly just flushing water down but in actual use, the toilet paper snagged on the pen and after several uses eventually causing the water to backup and overflow. Made sure our grandchild did not have access to our bathrooms unsupervised after that. (old enough not to fall in but young enough to cause mischief.)

If you have a pen stuck in your drain, snaking will not disclose that and eventually toilet paper could cause the drain to drain slowly and backup slowly.

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Old 12-23-2014, 06:23 AM   #17
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Homerepair guy, your story reminds me of the time years ago when my kids were little. The toilet would clog up then after plunging it would work a couple days then clog again until I pulled it. What I found was a little plastic hollow toy block that would move around and turn stuck inside. depending on the way it was facing is how the toilet would work. I know, sounds wild. I am surprised it didn't go into the sewer pipe.
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I've always been personally convinced that our toilets would not leak at the base even without a wax ring if the outlet of the toilet is centered over the drain, the drain is larger than the outlet of the toilet, as long as the drain was not partially clogged.
I'm sure all true. Of course we couldn't plunge clogs then Sort of like shingles in the frozen North, which work until ice dams push up in to them So they add the ice and water shield.
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Homerepair guy, your story reminds me of the time years ago when my kids were little. The toilet would clog up then after plunging it would work a couple days then clog again until I pulled it. What I found was a little plastic hollow toy block that would move around and turn stuck inside. depending on the way it was facing is how the toilet would work. I know, sounds wild. I am surprised it didn't go into the sewer pipe.
A cheap fiberoptic scope that us DIYers could use to check toilet traps, inside double walls, etc. would be a super thing to have. No recording device needed, just a real-time viewer would be great. Hey China, are you listening?

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I'm sure all true. Of course we couldn't plunge clogs then Sort of like shingles in the frozen North, which work until ice dams push up in to them So they add the ice and water shield.
Wax ring needed to block methane gas from leaking into the house .

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If you have a pen stuck in your drain, snaking will not disclose that and eventually toilet paper could cause the drain to drain slowly and backup slowly.
Firemedic2816,

Just had another thought. Are there screens or vented caps on all of your plumbing vents protruding out from your roof? If not, a small twig from a tree could fall into a vent and cause the same problems a ball point pen can.

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