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Old 06-11-2016, 08:16 AM   #16
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Old fill should not settle anymore but if you disturb is go down to where it is undisturbed and fill with stone or pea gravel. Since its all PVC as you stated would be easy to make it longer if you have to.

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Old 06-11-2016, 09:31 AM   #17
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Digging is hard work and it will take you a lot longer than you think.
But, that drink will taste oh so much sweeter.....ha...

Go for it and start digging. Buy what you need after you've assessed the damage.
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Your going to have to clear enough of the pipe so you can fix it but also it is important that any that remains is falling towards your septic field. You may need to clean 10 foot or so completely to make a repair. I would not use an all rubber fernco because they tend to mis-align quickly. I would suggest a proflex band coupling from fernco. While your at it I would also move that inside clean out outside. and get rid of that san tee your idiot gluer of pipe put in. You want that CO outside because when you need to snake you want to keep the nasty stuff outside instead of in your basement.

If it is 5 foot down it might be a good time to rent a mini backhole. They are fun to learn anyways.

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If you have the option a backhoe rental makes this a few hour job and will still save you thousands. Besides that learning to run the backhoe is fun.....just don't hit the house!
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Ghostmaker made an important point. Just in case, he means that the sunken pipe will have to be raised back up. That means you need enough earth removed so that the pipe will move up. Alls good if you knew that already. You probably will need to remove that 10' section and replace. Remaining may want jet cleaning.
Also making sure there's nothing else around the area such as electrical, etc.
Refilling - I'd not use gravel or well draining soil since you don't want to create a channel for the water. I'd have some means of compacting the earth under the pipe and refill should be compacted as well. Separate the top soil from bad soil etc.
The repair and refill can go a lot faster if you can arrange not to use the plumbing at least a day and refill, at least under the pipe, should be dry as possible. There may be ground water which would need a pump.
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Get a decent sized tarp, lay it out and pile the dirt from the hole onto it. Makes reassembly and cleanup so much easier.
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Thanks for all the suggestions and support.

I have a call into the original builder, and am waiting to hear back on the possibility that the original sewer contractor (would that just be the plumber that plumbed this house?) might have guaranteed the sewer for some amount of time and maybe that guarantee would transfer to me. Granted, an extreme long shot, but the builder has a solid reputation so who knows, maybe I'll be thrown a bone. Unlikely, but I'm a dreamer.

I considered renting some machinery but the proximity to the house, and the exterior cleanout that's a few feet from the wall, and the retaining wall near this whole mess, is making me think of a hand-dug solution. I know an extremly hard working landscaper that charges $15/hr - I figure for the cost of the rental I've got 12+ hours of sweatpower - and I'd need to dig by hand once I got to the pipe anyways so that's what I'm leaning toward.

Ghostmaker - I'm hoping the problem pitch will end at the cleanout outside (see pic earlier) so my digging will hopefully end right at that CO. You suggested moving the inside CO outside - since I already have one there I'm leaving the inside CO as is right? Seems like the more the merrier.

I will hopefully have a plumber buddy assist - if so I will try to get the sanitary swapped out w/a wye as suggested. Also will be getting the stiffer fernco, makes sense.

The only thing I don't really understand is how the outside cleanout is connected. It's hard to see 5' down a 4" pipe but it looks like it's not setup like a clean upside-down 'T' as I would expect. It almost looks like there's a drop from the pipe to the house to right at the cleanout. When my kid flushed the toilet I saw her little turds go over a little waterfall of sorts and I can't tell how/where that stuff ends up going after that point as there's sort of a pool of water/stuff that I'm staring down into. I wish I could describe it better.

Maybe the outside cleanout connection is messed up somehow too? Considering my house was apparently plumbed by a 1st year apprentice anything is possible....
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Just got the word - no warranty. Oh well.

For this kind of job, would a good plumber be able to do what needs to be done? The builder recommended a certain 'sewer contractor' ... is there a difference between a plumber and a sewer guy?
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You may need both . In my area sewer lines are handled by General contractors, septic tank maintenance and installers, excavation companies and larger plumbing companies that do sewer and drain work. I am not a pro, but I tend to agree with Ghost. You are going to have to excavate much more than you think to make this repair properly and make sure it will last. There would not likely be an warranty no matter what as earth movement etc that probably contributed to the issue would not be a covered peril .
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I figured it was a longshot - as an aside it turns out the original sewer contractor passed away shortly after my home was built.

At this point I think I want to dig up the pipe to just beyond the outside cleanout and assess the situation then - I'm really hoping the pipe after the cleanout to the street is a solid, well pitched run - and if that's the case it should be fairly straightforward to fix.

Any danger in leaving the pipe open for a couple days before I'm able to get a pro in if needed? Obviously will board off the opening, but I'm thinking once it's all dug up I can probably pop the pipe back onto the current fernco to allow for temporary normal use?
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Cowbell, this has been going on 20 days. Grab the shovel and start digging. No drink for you until the job is done
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I like a well-laid plan. I have hired help coming at the crack of dawn this Saturday to help me dig. I'll be back with updates!
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Re "The only thing I don't really understand is how the outside cleanout is connected. It's hard to see 5' down a 4" pipe but it looks like it's not setup like a clean upside-down 'T' as I would expect."

I would not expect a 90deg Tee there. The job of the cleanout is to provide a place to clean out downstream of the cleanout using a roto-rooter. I would expect a y-shaped fitting there with the entry pointed downstream and then another fitting to transition to a pipe to go straight up. The idea is to drop your roto-rooter down and have it smoothly enter the main sewer pipe downstream.
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You might want to check on your home owners insurance before you start. They might cover this.
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Chuck, I'd plumb the outside CO like this. Imagine to the right of the picture is running into the house. Take the cap just above grade.
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