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Old 04-13-2015, 08:24 PM   #16
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There is no meter here so I'm not worried about that. As far as my choices, I'm just concerned that a tenant won't be as careful as I was leaving the water running so I'm looking for a more permanent solution.
Unless rental properties are really scarce in your area, you're not going to have any tenants to worry about - none but the desperate would want a place with a problem like that which required something on their part.
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In my part of the country the city dwellers have to leave their water running every winter from Jan. to April.It is the line from the city that freezes.I live in Northern Lower Michigan where the winters can be very harsh,you don't have any choice if you want to have water.
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In my part of the country the city dwellers have to leave their water running every winter from Jan. to April.It is the line from the city that freezes.I live in Northern Lower Michigan where the winters can be very harsh,you don't have any choice if you want to have water.
Exactly the same as here. I'm trying to get around it. A lot of people have bleeders connected which is basically what I'm trying to do only I'd like to put it under the sink rather than in the floor drain.

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In my part of the country the city dwellers have to leave their water running every winter from Jan. to April.It is the line from the city that freezes.I live in Northern Lower Michigan where the winters can be very harsh,you don't have any choice if you want to have water.
Really?? Who pays for all that wasted water?? Given the environmental regulations around here (thanks to our proximity to the Chesapeake Bay), what you describe wouldn't even be legal.
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There is no meter here so I'm not worried about that. As far as my choices, I'm just concerned that a tenant won't be as careful as I was leaving the water running so I'm looking for a more permanent solution.

So far the best I've come up with is running a T off the water line under my bathroom sink, then using a plastic line like the ones running to a fridge with a water supply. Then I'll run the line into a dishwasher T and silicone it into place.

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This is a code violation- no cross connection control. You cannot directly connect water to drainage
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This is a code violation- no cross connection control. You cannot directly connect water to drainage
This is interesting to me as when they city workers came to thaw me out they suggested I connect a bleeder valve that drains directly into the floor drain. I assume that would also be a violation?

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This is interesting to me as when they city workers came to thaw me out they suggested I connect a bleeder valve that drains directly into the floor drain. I assume that would also be a violation?

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Not if it has an air gap.
Example is, look at any faucet. There is a physical separation between the sink rim and the faucet outlet. There is no way for water in the sink to contact the faucet inlet. An exception is a hose sprayer and it has an internal vacuum breaker.
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My brother's weekend place has frozen the last 2 years in a row (rural-Meaford ON). Long story short - he has decided to re-route and insulate his pump line, but did say his research found an (apparently) approved inside-the-pipe heat line that is installed via a T-fitting on the pump line inside the house. Apparently a watertight plug fits into the '3rd leg' of the T to accommodate the power line. Sorry I don't know anything beyond that but it might be something to look into.
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Here is one version of internal heat tape.

http://www.deanbennett.com/heated-in...protection.htm

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Here is one version of internal heat tape. http://www.deanbennett.com/heated-in...protection.htm
This is a nice idea but my water main is a standard copper pipe which this doesn't appear to work for.

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Why won' it work on copper lines? Is your line too small?
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Why won' it work on copper lines? Is your line too small?
I could be wrong but I think the line is 5/8 copper.

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They have a version that fits in 1/2 pipe. I can not see any reference to not being used in copper lines.
That is just one found. There are others out there I'm sure.
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