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Old 10-12-2015, 04:18 AM   #31
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Hi every one. First post.
Trying to fix a leaking 1300 Delta Shower Faucet but unable to remove handle. Set screw (Allen) and Spindle Screw came off, but handle is stuck in the Stem. A lot of white hot vinegar and prying with 2 screwdriver in several places, no help.
I believe can't use extractor for this handle since there is not stem to place the point of the extractor.
Tips, please.
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Old 10-12-2015, 04:21 AM   #32
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Handle like this, with Gold plated end.

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Old 10-12-2015, 06:26 AM   #33
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Shoot a little lubricant in the set screw hole to see if that breaks it free. Wiggle back and forth with upward pressure and it will eventually come off
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Old 10-12-2015, 09:34 AM   #34
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After reading through a few of the replies from kcinsj 's OP of 5-20-09 and seeing there have been 30 + replies with nearly 73, 000 views it makes me wonder how many hours of frustration has been spent with this or a similar problem with handles, cartridges and set screws. I keep referring back to pic replies from jelly #28 and #29 that gives a really good idea of time and frustration.

The preventative solution is rather simple. How about some grease on the parts during assembly to prevent bonding for whatever reason it does. Nope, nobody ain't gonna take the time to do that, it takes too long.

Set screws - probably stripped in pot metal during assembly. Poor manufacturer choice of metal for a set screw.
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Old 10-13-2015, 07:49 AM   #35
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After reading through a few of the replies from kcinsj 's OP of 5-20-09 and seeing there have been 30 + replies with nearly 73, 000 views it makes me wonder how many hours of frustration has been spent with this or a similar problem with handles, cartridges and set screws. I keep referring back to pic replies from jelly #28 and #29 that gives a really good idea of time and frustration.

The preventative solution is rather simple. How about some grease on the parts during assembly to prevent bonding for whatever reason it does. Nope, nobody ain't gonna take the time to do that, it takes too long.

Set screws - probably stripped in pot metal during assembly. Poor manufacturer choice of metal for a set screw.
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Problem is very old: different metals in contact - corrode, and humidity is just an accelerator, (a Law case?), so actual problems are:

- bad initial design by manufacturer
- no preventive measure taken at manufacturer, not a simple grease during assembly
- plumbers also add no grease before initial assembly.

So as in any Detective Novel, we have to find out just who will inherit the fortune...

What about German or European Faucet? do they corrode as easy? Any initial protection by the manufacturer?

RGDS
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Old 10-22-2015, 04:02 PM   #36
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Work finished. Found an extraordinary big quantity of magnesium inside valve, just wondering how it was able to even rotate. Removed all I saw; lines were flushed; new o-rings w/springs in place; cartridge's o-ring and handle support and screw lubricated to facilitate next job; cartridge reinstalled, checked and now waiting for Magnesium to build up again little by little...
Any suggestion about a Magnesium filter for the whole home? Does they really work? Are they cost/effective? Useful life?
Thanks all for tips
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Old 01-16-2018, 02:28 AM   #37
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Re: Problem removing handle off of Delta Monitor 1400 series tub/shower faucet


Thanks for the info here.

I went through the same thing and want to add my experience.

My bath tub faucet went from dripping to full on leaks in about a month.

1. Removing the handle
This was the hardest part. What finally worked for me was drilling. I used cobalt bits and oil for drilling metal. I found out that 1/4" fit the hole just right and also had enough length to drill into the hole and enough clearance to avoid the handle. I had to drill a bit into the stem in order to free the handle.
I did try 1/8" allen key initially but the set screw was just stuck. I made the mistake of using a round end allen key and I ended up stripping the screw. But looking back, I think the screw would have been stripped anyway because it was really stuck. I used WD40 and other penetrating oils and even leaving it overnight and the screw still wouldn't budge. I also tried CLR (actually ZepCommercial's equivalent) and that didn't work either.

2. Removing the sleeve
This was a lot easier. I just gripped it and pulled it out.

3. Unscrewing the brass washer
This was slightly difficult but not as bad as the handle. I got a set of rubber strap devices: a small one that handles up to 4" diameter and a large one for up to 6". The small one worked best because the rubber strap's width matches the washer exactly. The large one didn't work at all because the rubber strap is too wide and also the bigger handle digs into the wall. The strap actually didn't work on first try but after spraying WD40 into the threads with a straw the washer finally budged.

4. Removing the cartridge
This had the same difficulty as the brass washer. Although I did drill partially into the stem to remove the handle, I thought I can still reuse the cartridge so I wanted to carefully remove it without damaging it further. I had a tough time gripping and pulling. What eventually worked was wedging a flat head screwdriver between the cartridge and the end of the pipe and then twisting the screwdriver to create separation. I did the same thing at other points and then went back to gripping and pulling and it finally came out.

5. Inspecting the cartridge
Since I wanted to reuse the cartridge, I unscrewed it in the middle to look at and replace the two inner washers and springs. While just even touching the washers, it began to soften and crumble. I next inspected the outside washers (the big one in the middle and the two small ones on the two cylinders) and the same thing happened.
After inspection, I decided to forgo replacing the inner washers and springs and just get a new cartridge.

6. Inspecting the new cartridge
I forgot where but I saw someone mention in a Youtube video about applying silicone paste on all washers, including the inner ones. I thought since my original cartridge's washers all crumbled, it was a good idea. I also adjusted the heat rotation to the max since that was the setting in the original cartridge.

7. Cleaning the inside pipe
After removing the cartridge, I noticed the inside pipe had green spots all over the place. I used QTips dipped with CLR and rubbed all over the inside pipe until it was clear of the green stuff.

8. Putting in the new cartridge
This wasn't too difficult, it just requires some careful alignment. When I first put the cartridge in, I lined it up with the triangles but it still wouldn't move all the way in. I realized the inner portion of the cartridge twisted a bit and as a result didn't line up with the holes inside the pipe. So I took the cartridge out and this time insert it carefully to make sure the inside portion would stay still.

9. Screwing back the brass washer
Before screwing it back, I applied anti-seize all around the thread of the washer. I hand tighten and then once more with the strap but just a little bit.

10. Putting back the sleeve
The Delta cartridge instructions says to pull the O-ring out a bit before pushing the sleeve in.

11. Installing the new handle
Since I would like to avoid the stuck set screw problem in the future, I applied blue Threadlocker on the set screw. I also applied silicone paste on the ends. Finally I applied a dab of silicone sealant to cover the hole to prevent water from going in.

Thanks and hope this helps future folks. The info I found here and other places helped a lot.
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Old 01-16-2018, 05:10 AM   #38
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Re: Problem removing handle off of Delta Monitor 1400 series tub/shower faucet


Good old thread! My job turned out much easier. I initially tried to do this for my parents on a visit (another thread here) but quickly saw that it was beyond my comfort zone and lack of tools in the time I had and no access to the pipes without cutting the shower enclosure. In between that visit and the next they had a plumber fix it. I said don't EVER forget who you had do this in case it needs it again.
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whole house water softener...majority of all these problems solved! i will never ever not have one ever again.
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