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Old 01-23-2019, 02:25 PM   #181
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Early on the OP said he turned off the supply to his WH and still got flow from the hot faucet. Dip tube or not that proves something is plumbed wrong. Replacing a dip tube will not correct that.

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Old 01-23-2019, 02:37 PM   #182
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" I AM YELLING, NOT TO DISRESPECT YOU BUT TO BE SURE YOU HEAR ME. keep IT SIMPLE START WITH THE EASIEST THING MENTIONED MANY POSTS AGO. THE DAM DIP TUBE CHECK. DON'T WORRY ABOUT CROSSED PIPES RIGHT NOW. MAKE SURE THE TEMPERATURE CONTROL ON THE NEW WH IS ON THE RIGHT SETTING AND CHECK THE DIP TUBE AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED MANY TIMES. OUT FOR NOW NEED A DRINK, NOT WATER EITHER.
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:39 PM   #183
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Early on the OP said he turned off the supply to his WH and still got flow from the hot faucet. Dip tube or not that proves something is plumbed wrong. Replacing a dip tube will not correct that.

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Old 01-23-2019, 02:45 PM   #184
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He had hot water previous to heater replacement.








He now does not have hot water and hasn't for about a month.








If the dip tube is functioning as designed then the plumber did not do a simple replacement but modified some piping.








Stripe doesn't need a DIY forum, he needs an attorney.




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Old 01-23-2019, 02:53 PM   #185
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LawnGuy,

You are simply wrong when you say that my "paranoia" is what has caused the delay in him coming to find the problem.

The plumber told me that he needed to get the water heater inspected. I asked him what's a good day. He suggested a date. We agreed on it. This is the date he didn't show up.

I personally went to the plumbing inspector's office and the inspector told me that he was waiting for the plumber to call him for an appointment to come over my place to inspect the water heater.

I have no problem with the inspector coming over.

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Turning valves, opening the cleanout drain, drawing water from the bottom, are not warranty-voiding procedures. It's ridiculous you would think so. They're your valves, your pipes, your water heater.

He's fixated on the cross-connect problem being the entire cause. Especially because he's been totally aware of it from the beginning. If there were no dip tube problem, and your heater was heating to at least the same temperature as your old heater did, your hot tap should at least provide a 50/50 mix of hot and cold.

A couple weeks ago he was going to come by with an inspector - Apparently it never happened, and you had suspicions he was going to get an approval to absolve himself and leave you holding the bag.

Your paranoia is the reason you've gone over a month with no hot water.

You don't realize the temperature control on your old heater at "medium" is a totally different temperature than on a new heater at "medium." Possession of the old heater wouldn't prove anything. You're fixating on a non-issue that has nothing to do with the problem at hand.

I recommend you make another appointment (preferably not during a below-zero cold snap) to get the issue resolved sans your underlying suspicion that all this plumber wants to do is rip you off.
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Old 01-23-2019, 03:07 PM   #186
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LawnGuy,

You are totally misreading me!

Yes, I state the following:

How could I get compensated if he's the one who did the crossed pipes work? Put another way, how can I get an independent voice or pair of eyes on this situation?

But when I stated the above I did not mean the plumber "changed out your water heater, then clandestinely went over to some other area and cut and soldered in some fittings and pipe to purposely cause these problems."

You are putting words in my mouth or distorting what I said to score a political point.

What I meant was if he repaired the crossed pipes problem and there was still a problem with the heater, how would that be factored in for my benefit if he and I are the only ones involved in the process? What if there was a genuine problem with the installation? Should I simply trust that he'll point it out?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, since the installation you've made one appointment with him, for Tuesday, which he didn't show for because of no heat / frozen burst pipe jobs due to the recent cold snap.

I never suggested a faulty dip tube would exonerate him, or that you thought it would.

I'm going to hazard a guess that a crossed pipe (your hot into some other cold) is the association's problem no matter where it exists.

YES YOU DID!

Court is what you do AFTER exhausting your options.
When he got back from vacation (unfortunate timing with respect to the issue, but not an unforgivable act on his part.) but before this cold snap set in, jamming his schedule with calls from customers with no heat and frozen and burst pipes (priority) he reached out to you to get in there with an inspector. Whatever came of that?

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LawnGuy,

You are totally misreading me!

You know...


I just deleted about 24 paragraphs of points, counterpoints, issues, answers, suggestions... getting more and more aggravated with each keystroke.


This issue has turned into a chicken or the egg paradox.



Good luck with your issues.
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No problem, friend. I was just trying to be honest.

Thanks for your time.

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You know...


I just deleted about 24 paragraphs of points, counterpoints, issues, answers, suggestions... getting more and more aggravated with each keystroke.


This issue has turned into a chicken or the egg paradox.



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Old 01-23-2019, 05:21 PM   #189
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I think you should find another plumber, Tell you old plumber a month is too long without hot water. This should be his priority. If the problem is from his install , Then sue him. If is not from his install then pay your new plumber.
I am a plumber and you would be my priority. At least give you an hour of my time to diagnose this . Unfortunately you are not qualified to diagnose this issue.
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Hey, all you people on DIY don't you think it's time the moderators band this guy or delete this thread. If you do hit the like. I think this guy's elevator don't go to the top floor. No wonder the plumber is not returning.
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This still won't correct the problem of an as-yet=to=be-located cross-connection between the hot water piping and the somebody's cold water piping.
Even if the HW line is isolated from the rest of the units?
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I've located the OP a dip tube just in case his is missing. The old heater looks terrible but the tube looks decent from what I can see.
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Senior, you do realize that the tank will need a large scale de-scaling op followed by a re-welding of the tank?
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Senior, you do realize that the tank will need a large scale de-scaling op followed by a re-welding of the tank?
AH, in case he wants the whole tank rather than just the D Tube it'll work as is just as well as his new tank does like it is.
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