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Old 12-18-2017, 02:56 PM   #16
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wow - tech going 2 replace a T&P valve, copper piping, and ISO valve on aged out tank because it is still less $ than buying new 75g gas unit and hey u guys might just MOVE B4 the tank `dies`... love to meet the actuary genius that spun this justification of probabilities...

Is this tech the warranty's man, do you pay him or does warranty take care of charges, and what are deductible and premium costs? (not that u have 2 answer but I felt compelled to ask at least the name of the insurance co)

Diane - please make sure u have a new functioning CO2 detector nearby this tank and another inside your bedroom... cheap insurance & just because your home warranty co wants 2 gamble does not mean u have 2...

I'm gonna throw my BS flag & call thermal expansion issues compounded from failing PRV and or failed thermal expansion tank (presuming there is 1) that caused the T&P to lift/dump...makes more sense why piping and another valve also needs replacement...

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Our first time with a home warranty in a house that was initially built in 1946 prior to all the renovations. Our realtor recommended it and we thought it would pay for itself. We got all the smoke and CO2 detectors (including for the basement) when we moved in 3 1/2 months ago. The warranty paid for $250 and we pay $125. I think we have another $185 on the warranty to use for code stuff. Also, if the water heater fails within a certain time period of this repair, they come out again. Premium was $700+. So far it hasn't paid for itself. Oh and actuary genius is the warranty company, in my opinion. This will probably be our last warranty. There was no thermal expansion tank, so that's part of the repairs. I can't believe this thing is still working???!!! Ray replaced two electric heaters at our old house, piece of cake? Do you have any ideas why it was leaking so badly before and it's not now???

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You say you "haven't turned it up yet". Does that mean the water heater is still sitting cold? Have you lit it? What temperature do you have it set at. Remember the T&P valve works off "temperature" and "pressure", so too high a temperature could set it off. Normal temp is about 120 degrees F. Higher could cause scalding and T&P problems.
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We did turn it on (lit pilot, etc.). Initially when we moved here, it was set at A and we found it way too cold. Ray turned it to B and then later we turned it to C. The next setting just says "Very Hot." Ray had it on the B setting and I turned it to C Sunday. Now we have water all over the floor as of this morning and the two identified failures (TMP and other) are barely leaking - at least hardly anything in the plastic trash cans. Guy should be here soon and can't wait to hear what he says. Hope he can find the leak.
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Replace the tank or you're just spinning your wheels.
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Replace the tank or you're just spinning your wheels.
Right now, I'm trying to get my money's worth out of the home warranty. The plumber showed me how the TMP will rotate and he thinks that caused the leaking. He added the expansion tank, replaced the TMP and brought up to code. I had to pay $125 and the warranty company paid $525-$550. He thought the water heater might last another year, so here's hoping I'm still under the warranty then (simply because I want the warranty company to pay-LOL). If the water heater doesn't go out by our 1-year anniversary date here, that's life. Frankly, I think it's ridiculous not to replace a 17-year old water heater, even if it is a commercial model!

By the way, the electric company did a free energy audit today, and they basically don't recommend the tankless, simply due to the costs. There was no evaluation of our system to see what modifications would be needed, etc. Overall, they don't recommend solar or double-paned windows either due to the payback time. Interesting.
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They sell electricity. Why would they want you to conserve and/or have an alternative power source????

Electric tankless are absolutely not power conservative. Gas, on the other hand is. Oddly, they wouldn't recommend a gas one either.
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By the way, the electric company did a free energy audit today, and they basically don't recommend the tankless, simply due to the costs. There was no evaluation of our system to see what modifications would be needed, etc. Overall, they don't recommend solar or double-paned windows either due to the payback time. Interesting.
No evaluation vs free = worthless
Again with your sized tank - tankless certainly breaks even in 10-12 years...& given that over life of a tankless unit you will buy 2-3 tanks it factors out to pay now or pay later... now when you replace if you drop sizes to 50 gallons you will cut your current operational costs by a third...
Solar is a young persons game - 30 yrs to break even (not convinced they will actually last that long)...
House that age - Do you have storm windows or older double-pane? if so & they are in decent shape then no window upgrade needed... but in GA single-panes are pain. Over 50% of potential energy losses in a house are from poor windows and air leakage...upgrade your windows and insulation if needed as you can afford


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By the way, the electric company did a free energy audit today, and they basically don't recommend the tankless, simply due to the costs. There was no evaluation of our system to see what modifications would be needed, etc.
Have you looked into the demands of electric tankless systems? It's something like 60 amps. Do you have an extra 60 amps to play with? Then you'd have to run the lines to the tank. And the cost to operate it.
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They sell electricity. Why would they want you to conserve and/or have an alternative power source????

Electric tankless are absolutely not power conservative. Gas, on the other hand is. Oddly, they wouldn't recommend a gas one either.
I thought that too! I wanted to smile at the thought when she was here, but didn't want to be rude.
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Have you looked into the demands of electric tankless systems? It's something like 60 amps. Do you have an extra 60 amps to play with? Then you'd have to run the lines to the tank. And the cost to operate it.
I currently have a gas tanked water heater and in all likelihood, would go with a gas tankless. Of course, I don't need to make the decision now.
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No evaluation vs free = worthless
Again with your sized tank - tankless certainly breaks even in 10-12 years...& given that over life of a tankless unit you will buy 2-3 tanks it factors out to pay now or pay later... now when you replace if you drop sizes to 50 gallons you will cut your current operational costs by a third...
Solar is a young persons game - 30 yrs to break even (not convinced they will actually last that long)...
House that age - Do you have storm windows or older double-pane? if so & they are in decent shape then no window upgrade needed... but in GA single-panes are pain. Over 50% of potential energy losses in a house are from poor windows and air leakage...upgrade your windows and insulation if needed as you can afford
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Thanks for the analysis. About 7 years ago, we had double-paned windows put into our previous house and loved them - less cold, fewer drafts. We have double-paned windows on the back side of the house and the front has single. I asked about the double panes as they feel cool and she thought maybe they were an old version, manufactured before they put gas between the panes. She thought the payback on breaking even on double-paned windows was 15-20 years, solar also had a bad return on money; I don't remember what she said about the tanked vs tankless. She indicated that it wasn't worth it though. So far this house has been a money pit. We're trying to balance it out though by putting some things in off for the future (like the water heater).

Something nice did come out of the audit. We have two meters on our property. One for the house and one for a detached garage/storage area and a barn. We're paying too much for the barn area. It's a wireless meter and she said the power company doesn't evaluate usage or track how it's being used. Our electrician plans to come out to review it. The barn isn't used for anything as we don't have horses in there. She couldn't explain why we were using that much electricity though.

Thanks again.
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Are you on Ga Power Co or one of the EMC's? Our EMC charges us a $19 per month "customer charge". No definition, just a charge. I have 3 meters, with my shop electricity usage about $8 per month AND the customer charge. Ridiculous.
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Are you on Ga Power Co or one of the EMC's? Our EMC charges us a $19 per month "customer charge". No definition, just a charge. I have 3 meters, with my shop electricity usage about $8 per month AND the customer charge. Ridiculous.
Yeah, we have one of the EMCs. Some charges are just crazy, like your customer charge. Our electrician is here now and can't find why the charges are so high. I'll probably give her rep a call tomorrow, at least he has some credibility with them. She even said the meter was barely moving and a $94 charge. Crazy!

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