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Old 03-08-2016, 05:44 PM   #16
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In Ohio our copper runs are underground. This is done to prevent puncture of the pipe. I assume exposed copper is ok in California? How does that handle the lightening strikes?

Dirwin was that installation inspected?
do you have to use k copper for that and sleeve it? LOL inspected..
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Thank you for inputs. I was more concerned it was a tripping hazard running under the stairs like that! Seems like there might be more to it though.. A reputable company did do it. Last minute the secretary slapped on the permit price since it was not on the invoice, concerning me that one was never pulled.

The gas line run from the meter to the BBQ is about 20' - 25'. I have the same size copper pipe for natural gas running to my hot-water tanks as well, not sure about the furnace.

I am located on Vancouver Island, Canada. I can post more pictures if it would help when I get home.. So I should definitely call them on it eh?
are you sure its not propane? and second question, what gas pressure are you running? is it higher pressure from the meter and then reduced at the appliances? that would allow for smaller than normal sizing..
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When I looked at the picture, my first thought was the weedeater is going to have a field day with the copper line. Just sayin'
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Sure glad that "gas fitter" doesn't live anywhere near me.
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I am %100 sure it is not propane. I am not sure about the pressure. I am currently away from home and unable to check.

If we were to assume that copper is allowed in my region.. Is a copper gas line allowed to lay on a sidewalk like that? Having a snow shovel ram into it over the years...


Gas line coming up from under deck.


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Wether it's allowed or not, it's too fragile to be laying on the ground like that. Leaking gas is no joke particularity if it's propane which is heavier than air and could collect under the deck . Lighting the bbq might make a larger fire than you were planning for the burgers.
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Simple solution to all this- since they charged you for the permit fee, request the inspection report. It either passed, failed, or they never requested inspection
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Simple solution to all this- since they charged you for the permit fee, request the inspection report. It either passed, failed, or they never requested inspection
I really do like your suggestion. However, the gas inspector and electrical inspector sometimes show and sometimes don't. Mostly just don't show up apparently. Perhaps I can call in and suggest they do..
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I am %100 sure it is not propane. I am not sure about the pressure. I am currently away from home and unable to check.

If we were to assume that copper is allowed in my region.. Is a copper gas line allowed to lay on a sidewalk like that? Having a snow shovel ram into it over the years...


Gas line coming up from under deck.


bottom line..its a piss poor installation, and you should complain to the company and ask the owner to come take alook and see if he wants to be liable for that installation...and tell him if its not fixed right, you will call the building dept to take a look at it..the gas meter has steel pipe going into the house and thats what should be going out to the bbq..
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I really do like your suggestion. However, the gas inspector and electrical inspector sometimes show and sometimes don't. Mostly just don't show up apparently. Perhaps I can call in and suggest they do..
You could ask for their supervisors email and then send him pictures of your install.
I suspect he would be having a little chat with his inspectors for not showing up.
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That's a 2 psi meter set, so copper is ok as long as it's sized properly. In BC, the gas is as pure as the driven snow, so copper and galvanized are ok.

Most gas installations aren't inspected, especially something as simple as a bbq line. The inspectors do spot inspections, usually more so on new gas fitters, trouble gas fitters or homeowners who pull their own permit. The inspection process is more to do with ensuring the training is doing its job, although compliance does come into play. The theory is that as a ticketed gas fitter, one should know what they're doing and be able to do it right based on their apprenticeship and schooling.

If you want to talk to your inspector, give the Safety Authority a call. All the inspectors I've spoken with are really great at answering questions and helping out where they can.

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I think at minimum you need to have it inspected. I wouldn't pay without it passing. I also see that there is no shut off at the start of the run, so that line will always have gas pressure in it. Only way to kill the line in an emergency would be to turn off the whole house at the meter.

If by some Canadian miracle the inspector is ok with this, I would insist a shut off be put in. I would shut off the BBQ by turning off the gas at the shut off to ensure the line was clear. For instance, leave the BBQ on and lit. when done with the BBQ, then shut it off by the meter to burn off the remaining gas in the line
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I would insist a shut off be put in. I would shut off the BBQ by turning off the gas at the shut off to ensure the line was clear. For instance, leave the BBQ on and lit. when done with the BBQ, then shut it off by the meter to burn off the remaining gas in the line
That shut down procedure is a bit excessive. Having an individual shutoff at the start of the line is nice, but not really necessary. The shut off for the appliance is at the bbq box.

The real issue here is that the gas line is in a place where it could be damaged by a weed whacker, snow shovel, etc. (Although I'm not sure OP would have needed to shovel much snow in the passed few years living on Vancouver Island).
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The shut down procedure is a bit much, but having a shut of valve at the beginning of a run is anyways a good idea, especially if that line is hit by something.
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The shut down procedure is a bit much, but having a shut of valve at the beginning of a run is anyways a good idea, especially if that line is hit by something.
True story...

A friend of mine bought a new gas grill. Fancy thing with 4 burners. He hooked up his propane tank, which he has used for several years. He lit the burners and commenced to burn it in.

The grill was sitting on his patio out near the pool but still fairly close to the roof over his patio. Suddenly he heard a hissing sound and then fire everywhere! Somehow he managed to kick the propane tank into the pool, where it was burning. By the time the fire department got there, the tank had burned itself out.

It appears the regulator failed on his new grill. Last time I talked to him, he was still in negotiations with the grill maker to recover damages.

Note: Luckily for him, the house didn't catch on fire. He had just moved in recently and I was remodeling his kitchen. It could have been ugly.

Shut off valves can be a good thing.
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