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Old 01-28-2016, 07:36 PM   #16
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What does that pipe go to that connects into the washer box?

You could just run it up for the furnace condensate. It's not a vent. Unless New york plumbers always vent the inlet side of the trap..
Oh yeah. That pipe goes up another 5 inches and ends. It's an extras vent pipe for the washer, I guess. Yet the water from the washer still comes up into the kitchen sink.

Do I need to build that extra vent again when replacing all of the piping?
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you dont need that pvc pipe going up.ditch it...if you have water filling up your pipes till it reaches the kitchen, you might have a blockage somewhere...
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If the existing set up was properly vented it might drain correctly.
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Do you think that I should cut below the clean out as well and install a new PVC clean out before replacing everything to the washer? Cut above the trap and below, connect the vent pipe back up.

Also, what should I use to connect the PVC to the copper pipes afterward?

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If the existing set up was properly vented it might drain correctly.
Yeah, I'm hoping that this will fix the problem. If not, I will rent the gas powered snake and give it a go throughout the main line.
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you dont need that pvc pipe going up.ditch it...if you have water filling up your pipes till it reaches the kitchen, you might have a blockage somewhere...
Yeah, it's odd. We snaked the hell out of the line a year back and nothing really turned up.I just figured it was wonky venting.
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Lets get back to the original problem....water backing up into the kitchen sink

You have a problem....moving the device that shows the problem does not solve your problem.

You need to fix your drain.

We used to have our washing machine in the kitchen. And when we started seeing foam in the sink, we knew the drain needed to be snaked. If I ignored it (found out the hard way), it would eventually come out the drain at the washing machine.

Problems don't go away...they just get worse.
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Do you think that I should cut below the clean out as well and install a new PVC clean out before replacing everything to the washer? Cut above the trap and below, connect the vent pipe back up.

Also, what should I use to connect the PVC to the copper pipes afterward?
that set up is properly vented, the extra pvc is doing nothing...you dont have to cut out the cleanout, they make transition clamps that have a stainless steel band to go from copper to pvc, you will need to goto a plumbing supply to get them, you will need 3 of them to put in the double cross ty...or 2 clamps and run new pvc to the washing machine drain box...your choice..if your going to run new pvc, upsize to 2 inch for the sink and washer drain, vent is 1 1/2 which is good...but first you need to clean out the drain line that is clogged, do it first and solve the backup before changing piping around...
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that set up is properly vented, the extra pvc is doing nothing...you dont have to cut out the cleanout, they make transition clamps that have a stainless steel band to go from copper to pvc, you will need to goto a plumbing supply to get them, you will need 3 of them to put in the double cross ty...or 2 clamps and run new pvc to the washing machine drain box...your choice..if your going to run new pvc, upsize to 2 inch for the sink and washer drain, vent is 1 1/2 which is good...but first you need to clean out the drain line that is clogged, do it first and solve the backup before changing piping around...
You are assuming the pipe going up from the clean out is a vent. We don't know that, it may be a drain from a floor above (and not properly vented). Why would anyone have added that vent on the wrong side of the trap?
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You are assuming the pipe going up from the clean out is a vent. We don't know that, it may be a drain from a floor above (and not properly vented). Why would anyone have added that vent on the wrong side of the trap?
maybe the pvc was another drain...the 1 1/2 copper coming from the T is proper place for vent, being its original to the house..99% its a vent..either way it has nothing todo with the clogged pipe...there are thousands of houses with no vents before code mandated them and they all drain fine for the most part...
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You are assuming the pipe going up from the clean out is a vent. We don't know that, it may be a drain from a floor above (and not properly vented). Why would anyone have added that vent on the wrong side of the trap?
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maybe the pvc was another drain...the 1 1/2 copper coming from the T is proper place for vent, being its original to the house..99% its a vent..either way it has nothing todo with the clogged pipe...there are thousands of houses with no vents before code mandated them and they all drain fine for the most part...
It is a vent going up through the roof. I went up and check out the vent too. It is clear. Like others have said, I'm going to run the snake through the main line first and clear up the kitchen sink issue before redoing all of the plumbing at the washing machine. You all are awesome. I appreciate all of the great tips.

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that set up is properly vented, the extra pvc is doing nothing...you dont have to cut out the cleanout, they make transition clamps that have a stainless steel band to go from copper to pvc, you will need to goto a plumbing supply to get them, you will need 3 of them to put in the double cross ty...or 2 clamps and run new pvc to the washing machine drain box...your choice..if your going to run new pvc, upsize to 2 inch for the sink and washer drain, vent is 1 1/2 which is good...but first you need to clean out the drain line that is clogged, do it first and solve the backup before changing piping around...
For sure. I'm going to knock out the blockage first before rebuilding. Thanks so much for the advice on the transition clamps. I will track them down today. I'm going to just rebuild the pipes going to the washer. It needs a 2" update.

The only weird thing, to me, is the copper tee fitting currently on the setup. Is it soldered on top of the clean out?

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Lets get back to the original problem....water backing up into the kitchen sink

You have a problem....moving the device that shows the problem does not solve your problem.

You need to fix your drain.

We used to have our washing machine in the kitchen. And when we started seeing foam in the sink, we knew the drain needed to be snaked. If I ignored it (found out the hard way), it would eventually come out the drain at the washing machine.

Problems don't go away...they just get worse.
I agree 100%. I'm going to eliminate the backup/buildup before diving into rebuilding the pipes behind the washer and adding in a new sink.
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Cut out as much of the copper as you can. The scrap value will more than pay for any PVC you need, And have enough left for a case of beer or more
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can you get a closer picture of the top of the cleanout? is the cleanout cast iron or copper?if your buying beer with the mongo( scrap copper) get enough for all..LOL
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Cut out as much of the copper as you can. The scrap value will more than pay for any PVC you need, And have enough left for a case of beer or more
Haha I like the way you think.

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can you get a closer picture of the top of the cleanout? is the cleanout cast iron or copper?if your buying beer with the mongo( scrap copper) get enough for all..LOL
Well imagine that. I get off of my ass and get a closer look and I can see that it is copper. haha. I'm assuming that i can heat that tee fitting off and camp a new one down to the copper sticking up. Or just clamp a new clean out to the copper pipe underneath and get even more money back in copper.

Maybe I can afford the PVC and a case of New Holland Brewing Dragon's Milk (stout). I would gladly buy you all a round, if you lived in around the Dayton, Ohio area.







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