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Old 03-01-2016, 12:31 PM   #1
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My copper pipes look like Mario world!


We moved into this house built in the 30s and it had an addition in the early 90s. There is an old basement that accesses the crawlspace under the house. The pipes bang and I want to fix it but you can see from the photo, that in the basement the pipes are a hot mess. They are suspended from the ceiling and just kind of hang down unsupported. The ball cock shutoff valves are tangled up in this mess. On the right hand side of this photo they are headed to the addition and again are about 10" lower than the floor joist and unsupported. I want to clean up this whole mess and have everything right up at the floor joist and supported which would also cut out some of the distance the hot water has to travel to the faucets.
When I look at all of this I am very confused as to why it has all these turns? I'm worried that there is some larger concept that I don't understand and that I might screw up some plumbing physics thing that I didn't know about. It is much more likely that this was put together by some DIY guy who didn't know what he was doing (you should see how they built the garage) but I want to be sure before I change all of this. I have done work with copper pipes in the past, none of that scares me.
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Old 03-01-2016, 12:49 PM   #2
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Looks like possibly some walls were removed and the plumbing left hanging.
There is no plumbing reason to have it like that.
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Hmmmm... No walls were removed but the hot water heater may have been moved.
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yup its a mess...you can clean them up tight to the ceiling..just do the cold or hot first and finish one side so you dont mix them up..
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Ayuh,... I'd scrap the whole thing, 'n repumb it with Pex,....

Use the red, 'n blue tubin', 'n ya can't get confused,....
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I don't see any reason for the pipes to be like that, unless like mentioned before they may have had a hot water tank in there before. I would definitely turn off the water cut it out and it properly. The amount of 90 deg fittings and lack of support would make a lot of water hammer. I would either replace it with copper runs attached to the ceiling with as many straight runs as possible or even better use PEX with plastic bends that will allow for better flow and less fittings.

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Excellent! Thanks a lot guys. Considering that the entire house is copper and I'm not about to re-plumb the entire house why would I fix this using PEX? Wouldn't it just be better to keep it copper? I've never used PEX before, just asking.
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Much cheaper and easier to work with imo. No soldering, preping pipes, etc.
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Excellent! Thanks a lot guys. Considering that the entire house is copper and I'm not about to re-plumb the entire house why would I fix this using PEX? Wouldn't it just be better to keep it copper? I've never used PEX before, just asking.
I was full copper man till about 5 yrs ago...then I trusted wirsbo pex ...what a fantastic idea only wish i would have switched sooner,, but there are times when we still use copper because it looks better...if its in a place where it is seen...ben
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Pex is way easier and cheaper, you dont have to worry about joints leaking, you have less restrictions due to fittings ( as long as you use bends instead of fittings). The great part about pex is if you ever have to tee into the line for future upgrades, you just cut it, put in the fitting and crimp it. Trust me if this is copper and is solid on both ends with no play and you have to do this its a brutal job.
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Got it. Good example Chrisathome. I've had to add tees into copper with very little play and I still have the scar on my hand from when I tried to muscle it and slipped. Brutal indeed. I guess I'll be using PEX for the first time pretty soon.
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I just used Pex for the first time this past weekend. I've always done copper in the past. In fact I ran ~20 ft. of 3/4" copper in addition to the Pex. The copper took me a few hours. The Pex section took about 5 minutes.

I keep running downstairs to check up on it, because it seemed way too easy. So far it's holding up fine.
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That could be me. Once in a while, I start hating the idea of everything tucked away in a corner. What hangs are against an imaginary wall and out of the way. Doesn't feel that senseless.
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I am late to the conversation.

I will add a +1 to using the pex.

it is easier, as well is easy to replace in the event of a leak.

While you are at it, do something with those hanging and odd electrical wires.

They are a hazard waiting to happen.


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