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Old 04-10-2016, 06:57 PM   #1
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This is not what I wanted to do today.

What started off as a quick job of replacing the multi-turn shut off valves under the sink with 1/4 turn ball valves turned into a 3 hour fiasco.

In the process of removing one of the valves, the whole pipe turned. Translation, my sweat joint was week.

Because the kitchen wall is an outside wall....and we are planning on replacing the facing on that wall soon, I repaired it from the outside.

As you can see in the first photo, this was a poorly sweated joint. I did it 15'years ago when I first re-did the kitchen. It was one of my first sweat joints.

Looks like we are doing the front of the house sooner than planned. I also found evidence of mice living in the wall.


And I'm having issues uploading from phone.....I need a beer
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And I'm having issues uploading from phone.....I need a beer

I remember from the energy thread. A beer helps you not care!
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Going to get rid of all that steel pipe while your in there?
At some point it to will fail and plug up on the inside.
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Ok...Im at a real computer....

I really didn't need this today
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Going to get rid of all that steel pipe while your in there?
At some point it to will fail and plug up on the inside.
That is the vent for the sink.

I'm going to make the window larger and move it over a bit so all that pipe has to come out anyway so I can move it. ABS is a whole lot easier to work with.
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Your solder joint may not have been all that bad. That's a 2 wrench job.
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Your solder joint may not have been all that bad. That's a 2 wrench job.
Thats a poor solder joint. No matter how many wrenches were used on it. He is lucky that it held for this many years. Instead of blowing out when he was on vacation. It would have made for a real bad return from vacation.

We all have made poor joints at one time or another.
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Thats a poor solder joint. No matter how many wrenches were used on it. He is lucky that it held for this many years. Instead of blowing out when he was on vacation. It would have made for a real bad return from vacation.

We all have made poor joints at one time or another.
Once again I stand corrected. It seems it's becoming real common and more frequently but I'll never never go to a plumbing job with 1 wrench, period. Why do you suppose the copper/brass fittings have a hex as in this instance?
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Thats a poor solder joint. No matter how many wrenches were used on it. He is lucky that it held for this many years. Instead of blowing out when he was on vacation. It would have made for a real bad return from vacation.

We all have made poor joints at one time or another.
Exactly.

I kinda see it as being lucky.

Knowing I was going demo the front of the house anyway, it really wasn't that bad of a pipe to fix. But I do know this joint is good. I cleaned the crap out of it. The solder sucked up nicely.

I just didn't need that yesterday.

On another note....I think I may have found part of the problem with the poor performance of the dishwasher. The drain line for the dishwasher going into the disposal was partially blocked with gunk.

And this is one of those jobs where it actually took less time to pull the drains and disposal than try to work around it.
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Once again I stand corrected. It seems it's becoming real common and more frequently but I'll never never go to a plumbing job with 1 wrench, period. Why do you suppose the copper/brass fittings have a hex as in this instance?
Doesn't matter if he would have used a hold back wrench or not. The solder joint was a poor joint.
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I just didn't need that yesterday.
Things that break, just have a sense of timing, of when to break to be of the most annoyance.
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Doesn't matter if he would have used a hold back wrench or not. The solder joint was a poor joint.
Yep.......and in the grand scheme of things.....while I didn't need that issue on Sunday, if there was a time for it to break....that was actually a good one.
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The solder joint doesn't look like it took, I'm surprised it lasted that long. I would definitely make sure your pipe/fittings are cleaned and fluxed properly. While you have the wall open I would replace the galvanized pipe before that causes any trouble
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ddawg,
I know it's too late now. A drop ear like this mounted in the wall allows you to screw in a chrome nipple and a thread on valve. When it comes time to change the valve there should be no trouble wrenching it out.







I almost never sweat copper anymore, but I use a similar fitting with a male pex adapter on it for supply valve installs

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Yep.......and in the grand scheme of things.....while I didn't need that issue on Sunday, if there was a time for it to break....that was actually a good one.
Yeah, it probably failed at about the best time it could have. I hate to think of the amount of damage that could have happened if it failed while you and your family were a way.
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