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Old 11-14-2015, 02:58 PM   #16
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All rubber fernco fittings are also not approved for use. You also cannot place a tee in the horizontal when picking up any drainage.. You need to gut it and start using glue and PVC fittings.

Did'nt you modular home come with a plumbing isometric to follow?
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Old 11-14-2015, 07:33 PM   #17
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Life is too short and your moving to another stage at an age to let go, avoid physical risk and spend time with those that need you.

I suggest you hire a one man licensed plumber for an hour to make the call. Then if confident his work is good and price is fair, let him knock it out in a day and move on.
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Hi ghostmaster, fired builders because they left us out in the cold, had us sell our house while they "worked' on this modular home, after two years and many, many dollars in additional costs they tried to extort as much money out of us as they could and did some of the worst jobs imaginable. We finally had to take possession of the house and work with the State inspectors to get the C of O. Builders were on the no build list in Trenton but local office gave them building permit by mistake then the builders never got any inspections. Cost us tons of time and money to get this house livable. I think I mentioned that the original configuration had the PWV start in the kitchen picking up the sink, then work its way around the whole perimeter of the house dropping the required 1/4 per foot. It crossed at about 6.5 feet high cutting the basement in half and rendering the basement mostly useless for anything. I reversed everything starting at the furthest point and working backwards. I am JUST at 1/4 per foot give or take, and yes I used lots of Fernco fitting to make it easier on me.

Hi throrope, yeah I know. Just have so much of ME in this friggin house. Sleepless nights because of worry and working. Still trying to forgive and forget those sorry builders. I have a call in to a plumber the Realtor recommended. I'm already in the hole with all the money I've sunk into this moneypit. But you are right time to move on.

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Walt it also might be a good idea to see what the offer is and compare the two. Price from plumber and price for offer on house. I would also highly recommend you use a new work plumbing shop versus a repair plumbing shop. In my area the work quality is usually night and day between the two. Also the new work shop might be a bit less expensive. Contact your local plumbing inspector for a few contact numbers.

Good luck and leave it behind. I have had the experience as a state plumbing inspector to work with home owners that got stuck by builders. I enjoy teaching them how to do the work and laying it out for them. Hopefully your local inspector is a good inspector.
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All Rubber fernco fittings are illegal above ground.
Taking that as a personal opinion. You will find millions of buildings with Fernco's on pipes for various reasons.

You do realize that the name "Fernco" is a Company. It is the same thing as "Shark Bite" is a company name. It does not always mean that the fitting is made by that company, since there are a couple of other company's that make the same type of parts that Fernco does.

I am guessing that you are going by the tales of this blog written up by some ex-Fry cook. Yes there are some items that the writer for that Home Inspection company threw in a few items, because of his "Opinion", that did not need mentioned. You also see that he is stating in his own voice why he does not like the items.

Ever been to their Facebook page? They are one of the worse company's, next to those on Inspectors Journal who want to be ex-fry cooks. But instead of relying on the code books or DVD's with the books on them. They want to post the same type of questions that we see on here.

http://www.structuretech1.com/2012/1...-in-minnesota/



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Thanks Ghostmaker, Well then you better tell Home Depot and Lowes, Ace and all the other big box store that. Don't know how they are able to sell them then? Or why they said the Fernco fittings are OK for this purpose?I'm not talking about the couplings alone. They sell wye fittings, tees whole bunch of things. I will check with state inspectors Monday about the use of Fernco fittings. I'll get a permit and get it inspected. I'll take out as many/all if that is what he recommends. Could the rules be different in different states?

thanks again

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P.S. I have a few pictures to post showing problem areas and where I have used Fernco. Most I can change out pretty easily little more work than I had planned doing.
There is no law that Fernco's are not allowed to be used or sold. What there is, is that at different points, you use the ones with the Bands, so that they do not collapse from downward pressure, or when attaching between Cast Iron & PVC or a Lead Pipe stub and PVC, because you cannot dig out the old Lead and packing.

You will find Fernco's that are made for buried, will state that, which you can find the information on their website.

As for that cleanout for that stack. That is a nightmare to happen, as gunk from soaps, etc, pile up if not enough water is ran to flush it. It basically ends up acting like a Drum Trap.

Personally instead of doing all of that time running back and forth between home to home. You probably could have saved your health from dealing with all of the stress, by just having someone local oversee a local plumber fix everything as it should have been from the beginning.



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Taking that as a personal opinion. You will find millions of buildings with Fernco's on pipes for various reasons.
To a plumber- a fernco or mission (another product line) is an unshielded rubber coupling that is approved for exterior work only- regardless of their product line.

If the plumber wants a shielded coupling- he'll ask for a Proflex.

All the suppliers and plumbers know this trade language.
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Taking that as a personal opinion. You will find millions of buildings with Fernco's on pipes for various reasons.

You do realize that the name "Fernco" is a Company. It is the same thing as "Shark Bite" is a company name. It does not always mean that the fitting is made by that company, since there are a couple of other company's that make the same type of parts that Fernco does.

I am guessing that you are going by the tales of this blog written up by some ex-Fry cook. Yes there are some items that the writer for that Home Inspection company threw in a few items, because of his "Opinion", that did not need mentioned. You also see that he is stating in his own voice why he does not like the items.

Ever been to their Facebook page? They are one of the worse company's, next to those on Inspectors Journal who want to be ex-fry cooks. But instead of relying on the code books or DVD's with the books on them. They want to post the same type of questions that we see on here.

http://www.structuretech1.com/2012/1...-in-minnesota/

If you read what I said more carefully I said ALL RUBBER......
Thanks anyway. You will also find IPC code sections and UPC code sections regarding this in this area. The fernco reference is probably because they were the original maker of this type of fitting. My BAD.

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Hi Guys thanks for the helpful suggestions and advice. I have a call in for a licensed plumber that our realtor uses. I'll let him look everything over and give me a price. I want to contact state inspectors office see about a permit.

gregzoll, market is bad up here in NJ. We had stiff completion with other similarly priced and comparable prosperities. Our town has some of the highest taxes of any of the communities around. We pay about 50 percent more so I had to price the house with that in mind. Our grade school has a terrible reputation so that was a detriment, turned away many people with grade school aged children. Started with a completive price and dropped it 6 percent after realtors suggestion. Got a low ball offer the next day and we countered with a drop of over 4 percent from the reduced listing price and they accepted and here we are. Now I don't want to sound foolish but we have been waiting 7 years for market to get better and we don't lose so much money on this house. Everything from this sale goes into retirement home in Tennessee and trust me prices down there are better but not great. We bought the land in 2008 just before the crash, wife just had to have it. Had trouble with builder down there and fired him after to many screw-up. So I work here getting the house ready to sell and go there to make the 3 car garage with apartment above livable bringing load after load of household good and clothes every time we go. This is for the birds. I was better off working!!!


Thanks again guys. I'm sure we will have many more opportunities to talk some more.

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If you read what I said more carefully I said ALL RUBBER......
Thanks anyway. You will also find IPC code sections and UPC code sections regarding this in this area. The fernco reference is probably because they were the original maker of this type of fitting. My BAD.
Not your fault. I was still steaming from the crap in Paris and idiot kids wanting to run the campuses, and worrying about my mother in law who has a bunch of blood between the outside protective sack around the lungs and the lung itself.

I grew up that if dad asked for a Fernco. He would tell me if he wanted the one with the band or the hose clamps.

It is pretty bad what the OP is going through. If we could all just drop what we are doing, bring all of the extra stuff we have laying around and tools. I know that I would love to go out there and help (of course sitting in a chair to cut piping and prep parts, because of my back).

I know that from your tone, you were probably as pissed about the work as I was.

We are both good. Just too much yesterday that I did not need.



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My fault too. Probably should have said Fernco type fittings. Just a generic name for this type of fitting. Fernco was first and I remember the name from my days in maintenance.

gregzoll, Sorry to hear about your mother in law's heath problems. So hard not being able to help when our friends, family, anyone is having problems. So glad you all are here to help in the ways you do.

The stack drain was always meant to be temporary. That is why I have so many Fernco "LIKE" fittings. I did take it down last night to see what I saw when I started this repair in the first place. The trap was clean of debris maybe a cup of "clear" water. Think the drop from second floor forces out any solids. But not the issue. If I enlarge the hole around the pipe, it's exactly the size of the pipe currently, then if I the remove the base trim on first floor giving me access to the wet wall I should be able to cut the pipe back enough to allow me to put in long 90 and then wye to create cleanout and still have the drop I need. Check it again today when I'm more awake to confirm feasibility. Really tight with copper pipes and HVAC ductwork all converging here. Still haven't heard from plumber. Probably call him later today.

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Walt do not blame yourself about this. You were already stressed out as it was and tried to do the best that you could, so at least the house could still be considered habitable, until you come up with a better solution.

You can rent the cutting saw at a local rental place, to cut out the Cement floor. That way you can redo from entrance to main stack where it would be best to locate, if someone down the road wishes to finish the Basement for say a Entertainment room or a bar and some tables to play cards and watch a game.

I can imagine how bad the stress is.

Luckily we are finally starting to recover as of October. So now hopefully it will become a Sellers Market again, instead of a Buyers market.

It is not so much that the housing market sucks. It is the fact that people are being very cautious and way too picky.

Everyone wants a home that is their expectations. They do not look at the fact that the person can make the home how they want it, without going and having one built.

You may still have to knock down the price were no one breaks even. But you are still able to recoup most of the cost that you have invested through sweat equity.

My wif actually started to get Facebook ad's for the house right next to us. That is because the Estate Broker that is listing it, pays Facebook to advertise.

We actually have had friends who are realtors who use their page and have friends help to advertise homes for sale.

It has worked out pretty well. It gets the word out and as it keeps getting passed along. It hits a large audience.



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Think the buyers are playing with us. Now they DO NOT want me to make ANY REPAIRS even by professionals. Just want me to get quotes so I figure they can beat me up over the price again. I would rather let them go and sit tight till spring when more buyers will be out shopping and the house with all the landscaping will show well.

Think the plumbing project is easier than I may have described. I just have to cut through 1 inch of sub-floor on first floor but not hurt the 3 inch stack. I just need to get the long 90 up as high as possible into the wet wall so I can keep as much drop as possible so I get to the back wall through the joists so it starts right at the bottom of the joist. That way I have a perfect 1/4 inch drop along the rest of the basement and it is just at 80 1/2 inches where I have tried to keep enough height for a door way between the two sections of the basement. I wish they had put the stack and main runs through the floor where they were supposed to. At every conversation I had with them before we signed any contracts I specified below basement plumbing so I could have bathroom in basement. We are on a significant slope so it was a no brainer to do. But probably would have cost them couple extra bucks to do so they made up a lame excuse that it couldn't be done. Did this time and time again. Plans called for extra high garage doors and the modular home came with the openings already made to accept but builders lowered opening so they could put in smaller doors saving at most a couple hundred dollars. Then they charged me time and materials for the change I never requested.

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Not your fault. I was still steaming from the crap in Paris and idiot kids wanting to run the campuses, and worrying about my mother in law who has a bunch of blood between the outside protective sack around the lungs and the lung itself.

I grew up that if dad asked for a Fernco. He would tell me if he wanted the one with the band or the hose clamps.

It is pretty bad what the OP is going through. If we could all just drop what we are doing, bring all of the extra stuff we have laying around and tools. I know that I would love to go out there and help (of course sitting in a chair to cut piping and prep parts, because of my back).

I know that from your tone, you were probably as pissed about the work as I was.

We are both good. Just too much yesterday that I did not need.

I wish I could help him in person but my wife just went through major surgery and I found out how worthless medical insurance is today. Pretty much wiped out my complete savings. But it is a good idea if we had some Jersey boys on the site.
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Ghostmaker, take care of your wife, she is more important than my little problems. I can get help, Just complaining about my problems but they are nothing. I have my health and family. But I worry about that one catastrophic medical problem that can ruin all our future plans. Signed up for Medicare, only benefit? to getting old. But nothing in life is guaranteed. You just never know. Hope your wife gets better and things get better for you.

Take Care

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