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Old 02-10-2016, 10:22 AM   #16
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Either way, don't expect to get 18 years out of this one. I start getting nervous when they hit about 8+ years.
There are some that are out there that are over 20 years old. They last that long, because they are properly maintained. It really depends on water quality. I am sure that those in Flint, Mi are gone, including brand new units. All because of the bad water.



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I'll probably be able to get another 8+ years out of my current one!! But I don't have the balls to find out.


Other quotes I need now are to add a make up air vent/pipe for combustion (for the water heater and furnace). I don't have one presently but since my basement is unfinished, it's pulling air from there and upstairs. Not ideal but it is what it is. I'm going to finish my basement and will be making it "tighter" with extra insulation and will be enclosing the boiler room.


The guy who quoted $2k for the water heater quoted $950 for the make up air vent/pipe.
Any type of gas appliance will take make up air from inside the structure. Depending on how bad power outages are in your area. If not bad in having a lot of outages, I would just go with a Power Vent unit, instead of Draft.



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I'll probably be able to get another 8+ years out of my current one!! But I don't have the balls to find out.
When they go, watch out. My neighbor had one split. It took out her entire basement. That's a lot of water pumping into your basement all at once.
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Many times there are things that have to be done to bring a new heater up to today's code, it is not always a mater of pull one out and stick a new one back in,
there is NO SUCH THING AS GRANDFATHER IN when you buy a new car it has to be built up to today's standards same as with new appliances installed

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Many times there are things that have to be done to bring a new heater up to today's code, it is not always a mater of pull one out and stick a new one back in,
there is NO SUCH THING AS GRANDFATHER IN when you buy a new car it has to be built up to today's standards same as with new appliances installed
So what you are stating is that every used vehicle has to be tarn down to the chassis and rebuilt with all new materials and parts.

Yes there is such a thing as called grandfathering. With Draft appliances, if there is enough leakage in the structure, there is no need for a make up supply from the outside.

If the building does not leak much, the original B Vent is good, the new unit would be installed and a make up air pipe would be ran and have a 5 gallon bucket at the bottom, to keep the cooler or warmer air from outside, flowing over the floor, raising the temp of the area.

The only thing I had to do with my power vent unit, was just install a pipe for the power vent. No extra pipe needed, because there is enough air exchange from the house being old and dose not pressuriZe to cause starvation.



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In open basement yes. If you put that power vent and HE furnace in a mechanical room in basement you need make up air.
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In open basement yes. If you put that power vent and HE furnace in a mechanical room in basement you need make up air.
Majority of so called Mechanical rooms are not even that. If it is a finished Basement. It would be better to have a vent that opens when there is a call for the furnace or Water Heater poweing up or a call for heat.



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My hot water tank is over 13 years old (exact age unknown) and I just got a quote from a local plumber of $2,000 for a standard 50 gallon gas hot water heater. There is a high recovery water heater option for a few hundred more.

People I've talked to said that's crazy and that I can go to Home Depot and have it done for a few hundred.

Would you guys recommend using HD? I don't have any experience with using the big box stores for installs but for whatever reason I'm not 100% confident in these guys.

Am I nuts? Should I just let them do it for a fraction of the cost?
did you try asking your gas supplier usually they will do it for the going rate and let you finance it over 24 months? out in nj pse&g and nj natural gas do it for $1200
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Many times there are things that have to be done to bring a new heater up to today's code, it is not always a mater of pull one out and stick a new one back in,
there is NO SUCH THING AS GRANDFATHER IN when you buy a new car it has to be built up to today's standards same as with new appliances installed
Agreed, In my area, any new gas appliance installed needs to be done to current code.
This includes combustion air, venting, T&P piping (which must go to an approved location) and C O detection
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did you try asking your gas supplier usually they will do it for the going rate and let you finance it over 24 months? out in nj pse&g and nj natural gas do it for $1200
A lot of NG suppliers have dropped that program. Not too many customers take advantage of it. There is no need to finance this equipment, when you can pay for it up front for a basic Water Heater.

All major projects that I have done, has been cash in hand, which gets me the lower price, because the person installing knows that Cold hard Cash talks better then someone taking out a loan that they may not pay on time or just walk away from.



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A lot of NG suppliers have dropped that program. Not too many customers take advantage of it. There is no need to finance this equipment, when you can pay for it up front for a basic Water Heater.

All major projects that I have done, has been cash in hand, which gets me the lower price, because the person installing knows that Cold hard Cash talks better then someone taking out a loan that they may not pay on time or just walk away from.
its a shame if they did , its still going in new jersey $50 bucks spread over 24 months instead of shelling out $1200 upfront is alot easier for people these days with money being tight
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Yes but the Gas Co. makes the profit on that install they pay the contractor pennies on the dollar to do the work, !

which might not sound bad but what kind of workmanship do you get if the plumber is not making money ?
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its a shame if they did , its still going in new jersey $50 bucks spread over 24 months instead of shelling out $1200 upfront is alot easier for people these days with money being tight
If money is tight, then they are not sticking to a budget. I raided my Deferred Comp for the state of illinois that I have, so that I could come up with the $7k difference. Other then that, anything else came out of savings.

When we did our water heater, tax return paid for it and the install. You just have to make sure that you have your ducks in a row when you do this, even if it means just going with the lowest priced unit to not go over budget.



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