In Ground Water Line Woes (please Advise) - Plumbing - DIY Home Improvement | DIYChatroom
Advertisement


Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Plumbing

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Like Tree1Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Display Modes
Old 10-01-2017, 08:25 PM   #1
Newbie
 
mike1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 8
Rewards Points: 16
Default

In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


Greetings all!
Had a 1.5" PVC water line put in the ground and this pipe fits together without couplings and has rubber o-seal things inside.

I put water pressure on it today to test for leaks and it immediately blew the first joint apart.

The man that installed it is telling me that pipe is made to be covered up (backfilled) before putting pressure on it... what I hear when he says that is that dirt is the only thing holding my water line together since there was no glue involved in joining the pipe.

I am not a plumber by any stretch of the imagination but have never seen this type of pipe before and never heard of water lines... pvc pressure pipe, that does not require glue.

Can you guys provide some insight. I am considering cutting off the flared/rubber-o-ring ends and using couplings but there is 300' of it and well... that just sucks in multiple ways.

Thanks!
:confused:
mike1964 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 10-01-2017, 08:30 PM   #2
Naildriver
 
chandler48's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Young Harris, Georgia
Posts: 9,462
Rewards Points: 3,560
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


Why didn't the installer complete the installation by backfilling and pressurizing the system to detect for leaks himself? Or did you jump the gun on him?
__________________
Larry......
Half of Communications is Listening, and You can't Listen with your Mouth.
chandler48 is online now   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 10-01-2017, 08:33 PM   #3
Newbie
 
mike1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 8
Rewards Points: 16
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


he got part of it covered when a track came off the tractor, tractor repair delay so took it upon myself to check for leaks.
mike1964 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 10-01-2017, 08:47 PM   #4
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Ohio
Posts: 5,696
Rewards Points: 1,938
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


get the ASTM number off the pipe please.
Ghostmaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2017, 08:52 PM   #5
Newbie
 
mike1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 8
Rewards Points: 16
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostmaker View Post
get the ASTM number off the pipe please.
Ok but it will likely be tomorrow at best.

I think this is the stuff but cannot be certain since i can't see inside the flared end.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Charlotte-P...-Pipe/50195873
mike1964 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2017, 08:56 PM   #6
Naildriver
 
chandler48's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Young Harris, Georgia
Posts: 9,462
Rewards Points: 3,560
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


Your link depicts standard schedule 40 PVC with a bell end. It is glue up due to tolerances. The ATSM # would really help.
__________________
Larry......
Half of Communications is Listening, and You can't Listen with your Mouth.
chandler48 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2017, 09:00 PM   #7
Newbie
 
mike1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 8
Rewards Points: 16
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


Quote:
Originally Posted by chandler48 View Post
Your link depicts standard schedule 40 PVC with a bell end. It is glue up due to tolerances. The ATSM # would really help.
Thank you.
I will try to get it tomorrow.
mike1964 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2017, 09:20 PM   #8
Newbie
 
mike1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 8
Rewards Points: 16
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


I found a small end piece that had been cut off.
It says [email protected] PVC 1120

Is that the atsm #?

Last edited by mike1964; 10-01-2017 at 09:27 PM.
mike1964 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2017, 05:14 AM   #9
Naildriver
 
chandler48's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Young Harris, Georgia
Posts: 9,462
Rewards Points: 3,560
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


A little further down on the pipe will be the atsm numbers. See this example on the right side.
Attached Thumbnails
In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)-atsm.jpg  
__________________
Larry......
Half of Communications is Listening, and You can't Listen with your Mouth.
chandler48 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2017, 08:08 AM   #10
Plumber
 
TheEplumber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: North Idaho
Posts: 11,434
Rewards Points: 250
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


I'm not familiar with that small of pipe with gaskets, but that joining system is quite common for municipal pipe.
Gasketed water lines must be restrained before pressurizing.
__________________
When posting in forums, letting us know your location will help others give better feedback/advice/solutions to your questions
TheEplumber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2017, 11:45 AM   #11
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Near Philly
Posts: 2,862
Rewards Points: 2,636
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


Quote:
Originally Posted by TheEplumber View Post
I'm not familiar with that small of pipe with gaskets, but that joining system is quite common for municipal pipe.
Gasketed water lines must be restrained before pressurizing.
Curious how the joints are tested for leaks if buried?
bob22 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2017, 12:41 PM   #12
Newbie
 
mike1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 8
Rewards Points: 16
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


It could have been air-pressure tested buried if i could find a fitting with an air inlet. However, google tells me that is not recommended anyway.

The Pipe says:
1-1/2" Pipelife Jetstream SDR21 NSF-PW ASTM D2241 B429JS 170615 AM11:40 Made in USA.

The trench was dug with an 18" backhoe bucket... since its beginning to sound like movement may play a role, thought this may be pertinent.

Thanks for your help.

Last edited by mike1964; 10-02-2017 at 12:46 PM.
mike1964 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2017, 04:44 PM   #13
A "Handy Husband"
 
rjniles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: South Carolina Low Country
Posts: 11,191
Rewards Points: 888
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


Why is this pipe being used, what is the application? Would not a roll of poly pipe be a better choice?
__________________
My electrical answers are based on 2017 NEC, you may have local amendments.

Location: Coastal South Carolina
rjniles is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2017, 05:06 PM   #14
Civil Engineer
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Boston
Posts: 5,832
Rewards Points: 5,246
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


You have acceptable direct burial pipe. The SDR 21 stands for standard dimension ratio 21, meaning the ratio of diameter to wall thickness is 21. the NSF stands for National Sanitary Foundation, which is the organization responsible for certifying potable water pipe. The PW stands for potable water. ASTM D2241 is the American Society for the Testing of Materials designation for the specific type of pipe and joining system. I do not know what the other numbers and letters stand for, possibly the run number of the pipe manufacturer.

In any case, your mistake was to attempt to test pipe before burial was complete. Since the joints are gasketed but not restrained, the pipe must be completely installed and buried before it can be tested. Testing follows the ASTM procedure, typically the pipe is filled with water and pressurized, and the pressure is measured over a specific length of time to make sure that the leakage is within tolerance.
Daniel Holzman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Daniel Holzman For This Useful Post:
TheEplumber (10-02-2017)
Old 10-02-2017, 05:19 PM   #15
Newbie
 
mike1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 8
Rewards Points: 16
Default

Re: In Ground Water Line Woes (please advise)


Quote:
typically the pipe is filled with water and pressurized.
How is this accomplished and with what fittings?

So dirt is in fact the only thing holding the water line together?
"to ensure the leakage is within tolerance"... seriously? in my mind, no leakage is the only tolerance.

I never would have bought that pipe had I known what he was using.
SeniorSitizen likes this.
mike1964 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Weird Water Heater Issue I Bet You've Never Experienced Before hellohello Plumbing 6 01-08-2014 11:40 PM
Low hot water pressure crebive Plumbing 38 02-26-2013 12:26 AM
Inline water filter for built-in fridge (water supply line on top) Druidia Appliances 5 03-10-2012 12:05 AM
DIY Comedy--PVC for main water line? Daulton Plumbing 8 03-23-2011 09:03 AM




Top of Page | View New Posts