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Old 09-13-2016, 06:08 PM   #31
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If it just blew off because the tried turn it or tighten the nut, he didn't have it nearly tight enough to begin with.
Exactly. On those brass ferrule fittings, for initial make up, it takes 1 round of the nut after all slack is removed. No Teflon, no dope but maybe a drop of oil on the threads and ferrule if you feel you must put something on something. Those instructions were put on boxes of brass ferrules 60 years ago and still apply.
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Old 09-13-2016, 09:02 PM   #32
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Agree. That nut and thread (where the drop of water is) is not a pipe thread, it is not intended to be water tight. It only holds the drain assembly in place.

Most likely the "plumber" failed to seal between the flange (the part you see in the sink) and the sink with plumbers putty. His chrome one will leak also if he makes the same mistake. Tell him to put plumbers putty under the lip of the flange.

Let me say it another way. The leak is not occurring where the drop of water is. That is only where the water is coming out. The leak is occurring between the sink flange and the sink.

Doesn't sound like he knows what he is doing.
Many years ago, I was shown how to apply pipe dope to the large threads of the tailpiece. Since then I have next to no leaks at that point.
It may be leaking at the flange, but the real issue is the large gasket. As water comes down the drain it finds it's way out the overflow weep holes to that gasket. IMO-because some gaskets are harder rubber they do not embed into those coarse threads. Pipe dope- not glue- applied to the first inch of threads will stop this- it will fill the gap.
With the plastic tailpieces, guys are shy to over tighten. You can crack a nut or pop a thread and then will never get it tight.
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Exactly. On those brass ferrule fittings, for initial make up, it takes 1 round of the nut after all slack is removed. No Teflon, no dope but maybe a drop of oil on the threads and ferrule if you feel you must put something on something. Those instructions were put on boxes of brass ferrules 60 years ago and still apply.
I use a smear of teflon dope on the ferrule and threads. Works as good as oil, which I never seem to have....
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Old 09-14-2016, 12:19 PM   #33
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Those plastic pop ups are junk. I had 2 different occasions where the drain on the sink bottom was not cast flush and they leaked. I replaced both with brass and problem solved. People sit here and say the pipe is fine its the installers fault. You have no idea of what shape the sink bottom or the plastic pop up is in.

Tell him it is leaking and he should be out to repair, but i will be damned if i'm going to sit on the pc and blame the installer. Everyone is a superstar behind there screens.
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Those plastic pop ups are junk. I had 2 different occasions where the drain on the sink bottom was not cast flush and they leaked. I replaced both with brass and problem solved. People sit here and say the pipe is fine its the installers fault. You have no idea of what shape the sink bottom or the plastic pop up is in.

Tell him it is leaking and he should be out to repair, but i will be damned if i'm going to sit on the pc and blame the installer. Everyone is a superstar behind there screens.
CT18... before you leave a job... do you take a few minutes and test for leaks.
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Those plastic pop ups are junk. I had 2 different occasions where the drain on the sink bottom was not cast flush and they leaked. I replaced both with brass and problem solved. People sit here and say the pipe is fine its the installers fault. You have no idea of what shape the sink bottom or the plastic pop up is in.

Tell him it is leaking and he should be out to repair, but i will be damned if i'm going to sit on the pc and blame the installer. Everyone is a superstar behind there screens.
Never had a problem with them on hundreds of installs. Installing them correctly includes taking into consideration the condition of the drain opening in the sink bottom. The OP's "plumber" is an incompetent fool and I would tell him to his face. Remember, he obviously did not leak test any of his install prior to collecting his payment and leaving...who does that? Nobody who has ever done plumbing work...
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I think it is time to close this thread,
except to say that I think Handylassie should issue the following to her daughter to whom she provide such a wonderful education.




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It is further ordered that the herein named Daughter appear before herein named Mother with a certificate in hand for a “Day of Beauty” for two, at a conveniently located Solon. Additionally, name Daughter shall provide paid admission for two to the next available Tea at the local Garden Club.
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LOL. Almost sounds like you know my daughter. Too funny!!!

End result:

I called and nicely spoke to owner. They sent another guy out. He admitted he would have tried to tightened the new plastic pipe before having me buy metal pipe. He didn't comment on the flood.

I explained my concern about wet cabinet. Instead of ripping off toe plate he drilled small hole in floor of cabinet (under a drawer) and we looked with a camera on a wire and it looks dry under cabinet. That camera was a neat gadget.

He ordered a matching brushed nickel popup and will replace it no charge.

I was SO relieved. Yes, I'll use them again.
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Sounds like they took care of you and made things right.
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And I am glad that you have finally gotten this resolved amicably.

Enjoy your "Day of Beauty". My wife certainly enjoys hers.

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