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Old 02-09-2016, 11:56 PM   #1
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Cleanout question for 3" bathroom drain.


Please see the attached images. The 3" PVC/DWV coming down into my basement is a 3" drain from a 2nd story bathroom (2 sinks, 1 toilet, 1 shower). I'm getting this inspected later this week and would like to pass the first time. My questions are in regard to the cleanout wye.

1) Will the cleanout I installed pass inspection... does it meet code?
2) Is a cleanout even required?
3) Would I be better off installing the cleanout in the vertical line above the basement floor? If so, can I cover the cleanout with drywall or do I need to provide access to it?

All the other drains in my basement have their own cleanout, but they're on the opposite side of where the vertical pipe transitions to horizontal when compared to the one in question here. Obviously because I'm so close to a wall, I couldn't do it this way.

Also, I've since added another strap/hanger to the pipe from at the last floor joist.

Thanks for your help.
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Old 02-10-2016, 04:26 AM   #3
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Please see the attached images. The 3" PVC/DWV coming down into my basement is a 3" drain from a 2nd story bathroom (2 sinks, 1 toilet, 1 shower). I'm getting this inspected later this week and would like to pass the first time. My questions are in regard to the cleanout wye.

1) Will the cleanout I installed pass inspection... does it meet code? Looks fine.
2) Is a cleanout even required?.......Yes
3) Would I be better off installing the cleanout in the vertical line above the basement floor? This is code in our area. If so, can I cover the cleanout with drywall or do I need to provide access to it? Requires access

All the other drains in my basement have their own cleanout, but they're on the opposite side of where the vertical pipe transitions to horizontal when compared to the one in question here. Obviously because I'm so close to a wall, I couldn't do it this way.

Also, I've since added another strap/hanger to the pipe from at the last floor joist.

Thanks for your help.
Answers above are code in my area. Could be different where you are.
Phone your inspector and ask him/her.
You've paid for this service when you pulled the permit.
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You need to check your code- I need 18" in front of them.
Mine usually go on the floor above using clean out tees and covers- they must be accessible
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that most likley will not pass inspection....there needs to be a cleanout on the first floor, how will you clean the bend just above that cleanout you put in? even with the double 45s and odds are it will never be an issue, it cannot be cleaned unless you pull the toilet and I cant see how thats piped out..
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You need to check your code- I need 18" in front of them.
Mine usually go on the floor above using clean out tees and covers- they must be accessible
Eplumber, can you please clarify that? Do you mean that you need the cleanout to be 18" behind (up slope) from where the vertical transitions to horizontal?
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18 inches to the front of the cleanout to get a snake in it to clean...
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that most likley will not pass inspection....there needs to be a cleanout on the first floor, how will you clean the bend just above that cleanout you put in? even with the double 45s and odds are it will never be an issue, it cannot be cleaned unless you pull the toilet and I cant see how thats piped out..
Thanks, WhatRnsdownhill.

That was my thought after the fact and the reason I asked the question. I thought I had read somewhere that a cleanout wasn't required if double 45s were used versus a long 90. I totally see your point about not being able to snake the bends above the cleanout, but thought what I installed would be better than nothing to snake downstream and didn't think I needed one above.

I think my best bet is to remove the cleanout I installed and add one above the floor in the vertical pipe. If the inspector says I need it, I'll install an access cover in the drywall that will cover the cleanout and if he say says I don't need it, I can drywall over w/o an access cover and have peace of mind that it's there. Sound like a good plan?

NOTE: Here's the photo that led me to believe that I don't need a cleanout.

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Is it ok to use a cleanout fitting like this in the vertical pipe or must it be a downward sloped sanitary tee or wye?
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That image is wrong. Base of stacks need clean outs.
The 2- 1/8 bends are the equivalent to a long turn 90, so the examples are the same- just that the one on the right needs a clean out
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That image is wrong. Base of stacks need clean outs.
The 2- 1/8 bends are the equivalent to a long turn 90, so the examples are the same- just that the one on the right needs a clean out
Thanks! It looks like my last post and your last post were at the same time. Can you please answer my question in regard to the cleanout photo I posted? Thanks again... I appreciate it very much!!!
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Is it ok to use a cleanout fitting like this in the vertical pipe or must it be a downward sloped sanitary tee or wye?
just cut this in above the floor and you will be good and not need the one in the basement..
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The problem with the basement c/o is when the line is clogged you are going to have fun opening that c/o plug and flooding the basement,
that is one reason besides code to put the c/o in upstairs, but you do not cover
the c/o it needs to accessible otherwise what is the use of installing the c/o,
again when the line is back up you do not want to have to pull the toilet
this from a master plumber with over 30 years experience snaking drains
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Thanks! It looks like my last post and your last post were at the same time. Can you please answer my question in regard to the cleanout photo I posted? Thanks again... I appreciate it very much!!!
I thought I did. A long sweep 1/4 bend is the same as 2- 1/8 bends.
Therefore you need the clean out in both examples- the image is wrong.....

You can leave what you have in place and cut in the tee above the floor. The tee will meet code requirement.

Add a cover plate at trim time.
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Thanks, guys. Removed the cleanout I had and installed one about a foot above the 1st story floor level.
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