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Old 10-23-2016, 12:29 PM   #16
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Re: Shower head drips when spout running


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I can certainly understand you concern about not damaging the pipe.

I suggest that you get out your hacksaw and cut the spout about 1 1/2" from the wall
You of course won't be cutting straight through You will be cutting around the spout. Cutting the outer shell of the spout only. There is considerable distance between the outer shell of the spout and the piping.
There are two types of screw on spouts. One has the screw fitting up next to the wall.
The other has the screw fitting closer to the diverter valve.
If you have the slip on type or the screw on type with the fitting close to the wall, the end of the spout will fall off.
You can confirm which type you have. If you have a screw on type you can use a strap wrench with more confidence to remove.

If you have the screw on type next to the diverter and have a torch you could apply some heat to break the bond. Just make sure that the pipe has cooled (run some water) before trying to unscrew. Hot copper bends easily. If it won't unscrew, cut the spout again just ahead of the fitting, heat the fitting (unsolder)and pull the spout and the male pipe adapter off together.

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Old 10-23-2016, 12:34 PM   #17
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Wildbill: I had another idea, may be a bit outlandish, but here it is.

You said that you had a replacement diverter/spout?

So take a Dremel with a CUTOFF wheel, and open that slot on the old one wide enough that you can definitely see what is up in there, pry back the "wings" , to get a good sight.

Then you will definitely know if there is a screw or not.

I forgot to mention USE SAFETY GLASSES

Power: I too apologize for using your post to offer Wild my advice.

And The "sparky" thing was hopefully a "just kidding" thing, guess you took it wrong.

I am all for DIY ing, been doing it for 50+ years.


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Hmm, could do that. I was just telling the wife I'd be willing to take a hack saw and cut this thing apart to see what's holding it on. Just get a replacement faucet. Thing's made of plastic or whatever anyway. (Edit: Just checked. The shower head's plastic, not the faucet.)

I think my wife has a dremmel. Not sure about a cutoff wheel. I've got a 12amp angle grinder, but I'm sure that'd be a bit much.

Moen sent us these things. Thought they were sending us a brand new faucet, ended up getting these.


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wild bill
I can certainly understand you concern about not damaging the pipe.

I suggest that you get out your hacksaw and cut the spout about 1 1/2" from the wall
You of course won't be cutting straight through You will be cutting around the spout. Cutting the outer shell of the spout only. There is considerable distance between the outer shell of the spout and the piping.
There are two types of screw on spouts. One has the screw fitting up next to the wall.
The other has the screw fitting closer to the diverter valve.
If you have the slip on type or the screw on type with the fitting close to the wall, the end of the spout will fall off.
You can confirm which type you have. If you have a screw on type you can use a strap wrench with more confidence to remove.

If you have the screw on type next to the diverter and have a torch you could apply some heat to break the bond. Just make sure that the pipe has cooled (run some water) before trying to unscrew. Hot copper bends easily. If it won't unscrew, cut the spout again just ahead of the fitting, heat the fitting (unsolder)and pull the spout and the male pipe adapter off together.
That's what I was just talking to my wife about too. Man do I hate doing my own plumbing. Either way I'm not getting into this today. Don't have a torch and if I really wreck something I'm not paying a plumber $200 an hour to have them come fix it on a Sunday afternoon if I can find one that'll do it.
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Moved posts to it's own thread- I hope I got all posts included-
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You're a good man Eplumber from one mod to another (painttalk). Thanks for giving this thing it's own thread.
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This might end up being a stupid question, so be prewarned.

So, I stick my mirror under the part of the faucet where the water comes out. Pull up and down on the pin on top that determines where the water goes. I can see both parts that I'm supposing have to get changed out. The ones I posted pics of above.

What are the chances that I can change those parts without having to pull the faucet off? I wonder if there's a way to pull that pin apart to change the white thing and once it's out of the way I could possibly get at the black O ring type thing that goes above it? Maybe I should take a pic of what I'm talking about.
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What are the chances that I can change those parts without having to pull the faucet off?
Not a snowballs' chance in Hell.

What will happen if you put too much pressure trying to unscrew will be that you twist the copper pipe. The problem then is that you have to go into the wall to replace. Chances of twisting the pipe is not very great is it is a screw off type.

It certainly looks to be a screw off type. No signs of set screw or the collar it screws into in your photo.

As someone else suggested a Dremmel tool would be the best. Faster than hacksaw.

The connection between the spout and the male adapter on the end of the pipe doesn't have to be very tight. There is really very little water pressure on it. So what if it leaks. That's why you have the drain hole.

What probably happened is that BIL had to really crank down on it when installing to get the spout up against the wall.

Its his fault no matter what.
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Lol. As an aside, my wife and I just fixed this albeit possibly temporarily.

Got up in the end of the spout with my Dad's old pocket knife and a pair of needle nose pliars. Got the gate valve out by prying the plastic white piece (pictured above) out by prying the friction fit around the pin piece off with the pocket knife and pliars. The bit Moen sent us totally didn't fit. Way too wide. We're not gonna have a shower for days... Oh no.

Mashed the old black gasket/ring around a bit. Looked fine. Rammed it back in there into the white piece. Put it back in around the pin until it held.

Tried it, and voila! Shower came on first try. Tried it probably 30 times after that and it worked every time!

Now I gotta figure out a way to punish myself for having lived with this thing not working for the past several months. Anyhoo, perseverance is the key.

And the desire for a shower every morning.

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Not a snowballs' chance in Hell.
I gotta call someone. A Canadian just made a snowman in hell, and it held!

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A Canadian just made a snowman in hell, and it held!

We know this stuff!
It is so nice to be wrong.

Congratulations

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If your fix doesn't last, you could always lay down in the tub, stick your big toe up the spout and let the wife take a shower.
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No that won't work.

Stuff a potato up in the spout and shower with her.





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Looks like it unscrews.
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And for GAWD SAKE, if you ever get it screwed off do not put Teflon tape on the threads for re-assembly so the next person will have the same hell you've had. Just claim you are normal and a slow learner like other folks.
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I gotta call someone. A Canadian just made a snowman in hell, and it held!
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Is the spout still looking down or did you turn the chrome part.
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