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Old 03-14-2017, 10:11 PM   #1
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Any reason not to pull a permit as homeowner?


I am pretty well satisfied with having a local licensed plumber's slab leak solution which is rerouting pipes, but wonder if I am making a mistake by pulling the permit as homeowner builder. My plan was to pay him 75% upon completion of the job and the balance after it passes a city inspection. I don't think there will be a problem, but I recall that when a gas line had to be replaced with a larger one, at the time of a kitchen remodel that the same plumber was a sub on, the gas line had to be pressure tested for the inspector. It passed, but is there any reason that I need the plumber there for the inspection?

I am not concerned with things such as being held responsible for worker's compensation.

As for a so-called standard estimate/proposal, I am not buying into that and will require that he commits to a sum certain for the job. Since the ceiling bays and much of the stud bays have been opened up and all pipes in and out of the slab are exposed for 4 or 5 inches, I expect he should be able to do that. Am I being unrealistic?
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I wouldn't allow you to tie up any of my money for an inspection which you are responsible for (as far as scheduling). If you wanted to hold money until inspection passes, which I think is fine, I would have to be the one pulling the permits. This way I could call for inspection the day I'm finished with the work. No worry of you dragging your feet because you don't want to pay me. I'm. It suggesting that you may be planning to do that, but I'd have to protect myself from that exposure.


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In some jurisdictions home owners can not pull a plumbing permit then contract out. in any case your looking for trouble, one workman's comp. two general liability fire, flood etc., permit holder is ultimately responsible for the job and anything that happens within that scope of the work and or areas affected. if the plumber is pointing you in that direction find another plumber.
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It looks like I won't be pulling the permit. The plumber backed out of doing the job after I asked if he would pull the permit. This is after he had me open up the walls in four places during a leak trace for which he was paid.
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I wouldn't allow you to tie up any of my money for an inspection which you are responsible for (as far as scheduling). If you wanted to hold money until inspection passes, which I think is fine, I would have to be the one pulling the permits. This way I could call for inspection the day I'm finished with the work. No worry of you dragging your feet because you don't want to pay me. I'm. It suggesting that you may be planning to do that, but I'd have to protect myself from that exposure.


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I checked with the building department and it said I could pull the permit.

That would have been fine with me and is also what I would do if I was the contractor. See above re how the guy backed out when I asked him to pull the permit. It is possible that he dropped the job not because of that, but I asked him to agree on a set price and not do the job per "estimated" charges. I am beginning to think his estimate of $2,100 to $2,500" would greatly balloon once the job was done.

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Yup something don't sound right. Consider yourself lucky you didn't get hurt too bad.

People sure are strange.


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I think you are right. Nothing to do about it but move on and be glad I am only out the $200 for a leaky pipe trace.
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I wouldn't allow you to tie up any of my money for an inspection which you are responsible for (as far as scheduling). If you wanted to hold money until inspection passes, which I think is fine, I would have to be the one pulling the permits. This way I could call for inspection the day I'm finished with the work. No worry of you dragging your feet because you don't want to pay me. I'm. It suggesting that you may be planning to do that, but I'd have to protect myself from that exposure.


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Then I wouldn't do business with you're going to be like that over the last 25%.
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Then I wouldn't do business with you're going to be like that over the last 25%.
Did you miss the part where I want him to pull the permit? In that case he wouldn't have to worry about me delaying calling for an inspection. Me thinks now that he was planning on either doing a cheap job or doing it right but suddenly discovering reasons to double his estimate.

A tek from one of the large plumbers just left and despite a trace and leak test being done and all the pipes being exposed where they enter and leave the slab, they won't even give me a reroute estimate until they do their own test for $619.
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Then I wouldn't do business with you're going to be like that over the last 25%.

Not every shoe fits every foot.

I just wouldn't want to expose myself to having a large sum of my money tied up. There's no telling what crazy crap customers will try to pull to delay paying. I'd either let you hold the 25% til inspection and I pull the permits, or I'd have to get paid almost in full if I had to wait for you to get the inspection. Like, 5%, max.


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Not every shoe fits every foot.

I just wouldn't want to expose myself to having a large sum of my money tied up. There's no telling what crazy crap customers will try to pull to delay paying. I'd either let you hold the 25% til inspection and I pull the permits, or I'd have to get paid almost in full if I had to wait for you to get the inspection. Like, 5%, max.


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This is a guy with whom I had a pre existing relationship. He was the sub on the kitchen remodel in which I paid 12K on signing, 12K after materials were delivered, and the last 12K when the job was complete and material supplier and sub releases were furnished as per the contract and code. Regardless, I think I am getting astray from how to do it yourself.

I am waiting to see if a tek from a local plumbing company can swing by earlier than Monday. If not I am going to turn the water off, let the pipes back drain, and then isolate the hot just where it enters the slab by capping the 3/4 coming down from the hot water tank on both sides of the cut. Then when I turn the water back on, we should have no hot water to the upstairs full bath, the downstairs half bath, or the laundry taps on that circuit. My wife can still do cold water washes and the kitchen and master bath is fed by a separate circuit.

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A tek from one of the large plumbers just left and despite a trace and leak test being done and all the pipes being exposed where they enter and leave the slab, they won't even give me a reroute estimate until they do their own test for $619.
You want them to rely on your word/the plumber that walked off the job, that all leaks were found ? Sounds like they have been there, done that.

The leak that wasn't found will cost you a lot more money to fix if its found later rather than sooner.

Found now, they just expand the bypass area or otherwise include it in their scope.

From what you have said about the first guy, I sure wouldn't be relying on his leak check.
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Oso, You gave me some suggestions years back on some plumbing problems and I listen to you. (That was hen I posted and Klawman, but I had computer issues and re-registered as Klawguy.)I can understand why one plumber doesn't want to rely on the word of a plumber as related by a homeowner who may not understand what is up and where is down, and especially if there is an indication that the first plumber is questionable. I will likely pay the new plumber to trace/test both the hot and cold.

Besides, now that I think about it the first plumber only electronically traced hot pipes. His suggestion after tracing the hot water leak, was to reroute it but leave the cold water pipes in the slab. However he gave me an estimate for just the hot and a greater estimate to also route all of the cold pipes. The morning after I called him to let him know we wanted to take him up on the more expensive option of rerouting the cold, at which time I also asked him to pull the permit, his schedule became such that he was unavailable to do the job.

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Reading posts like this reenforce my standing policy of never buying a home with a slab foundation.
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Old 03-17-2017, 02:11 PM   #15
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Been my experience as a plumbing inspector that usually the guys that want home owners to pull inspection permits is because they either do not hold a license for the state or lack a bond in case of something going wrong (FIRE) or Flood. But at least in my state you as home owner pull a license and hire an unlicensed person to do the work you as home owner are saying you are responsible for all work permitted under that license. That doesn't bode well in a court if you end up suing the nim-nut hack you hired. Because you pulled the license and are responsible for the work.
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