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Old 10-07-2019, 11:35 PM   #1
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Well, I do not and have never done any flooring or any construction work.

The house is about 120 years old and we had Pex installed to replace the old pipes. But, in doing so, the walls and upstairs bathroom floor was opened up around the toilet. The wood was rotten underneath.

Our plumber only agreed to do the pipes but left the finishing for ďothersĒ to complete.

I am at a loss for how to get started. The pictures I posted show on the left a gap in the floor he left. When he and his helper were doing the work, the helper mentioned he doesnít know what theyíre going to do about the floor behind the toilet because thereís no joist to lay the plywood over.

So thereís that space that needs covered. But then all the wood pieces are all sitting there around the toilet at different heights.

When the plumber left I asked hi, what Iím going to do about the floor and the hole or space in the back next to the bathtub. He mentioned something but I didnít catch it. He did say something about leveler compound and to remove all the vinyl sticky tiles in the whole bathroom.

I really know I can this but I have to the hole in the back left first somehow.

I get that this is a hard project, but Iím sort of just looking for some direction to get it started.

Thank you.
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Do you have another bathroom. The toilet should be removed so something can be done that will last. He just did enough to get your toilet working.
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I am at a loss for how to get started.
First... expect to have to re-do most of that plumbing work.
Second... is to hire a really competent carpenter...
ideally someone who specializes in old houses.
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That’s what i figured. Yes, there’s another bathroom. Only a skilled carpenter will solve the puzzle of no joist to lay plywood on. And, you’re right. The floor probably needs completely opened up and probably tub removed too-because it is laying on different, original flooring from probably 1898. Thanks for the help.
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1898, my house is 1895. A few months ago, we had the bathroom done. I knew the support around the toilet was in poor shape. But the floor joists were in good shape, so we did not have to sister any floor joists. The carpenter just cut out the bad flooring. He did box in around the soil pipe. Take some pictures so we can see what you are working with. There are brackets that may help with the floor joists.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:14 AM   #6
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Hereís a few pictures. The toilet would have to be taken out to show more. The one picture is the gap next to the tub about 2Ē X ď10Ē.
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Second... is to hire a really competent carpenter...
ideally someone who specializes in old houses.
Its not like replacing a section of sub-floor in an old house is a specialized task. Carpenter or somebody who does remodeling has probably done this dozens of times. Might have to lift tub, might have to lift vanity. At least the plumbing is new --- nothing more fun than working with ancient plumbing. Then you get your choice of new floor -- vinyl, tile - to your preference and budget. Will look like new.
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few pictures of what is left from the crawlspace would give us more information.
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Are you looking for a temporary fix in this area?
The damaged plywood subfloor needs to be properly repaired if you plan for the new flooring installation. The wood under your tub could be damaged also.
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Its not like replacing a section of sub-floor ...
The sub floor is the least of what's going on (or may be).




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At least the plumbing is new...
aka lipstick on a pig.
Are you some sort of flipper?
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You ever work on old plumbing? --- everything you touch, breaks.
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From what it looks like to me, the carpenter who payed the floor around 27 years ago, left the old tub on the existing floor and didn’t remove the tub to put new floor under it.

I’m sure it would be correct to pull the tub out and replace the whole floor but if it can be done to just fix the area behind the toilet enough to get the floor leveled and throw down sticky tile, that’s all I want.

Before this new plumbing got put in, the area behind the toilet at the wall was actually sunk about an inch. So there’s definitely a reason, probably because there was no place to lay plywood on.

Again, it’s going to take a skilled person to finish this.
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From what it looks like to me, the carpenter who payed the floor around 27 years ago, left the old tub on the existing floor and didnít remove the tub to put new floor under it.

Iím sure it would be correct to pull the tub out and replace the whole floor but if it can be done to just fix the area behind the toilet enough to get the floor leveled and throw down sticky tile, thatís all I want.

Before this new plumbing got put in, the area behind the toilet at the wall was actually sunk about an inch. So thereís definitely a reason, probably because there was no place to lay plywood on.

Again, itís going to take a skilled person to finish this.
Depending on how bad it is, what is solid and what has to be changed out.
Many things can get fixed with out experience. It does take a willingness to get dirty and willing to learn. That is what this site is about.

Floors can be repaired with out removing the tub most of the time.
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Ok. I do have the time and the willingness. Not a lot of tools though. I’m going to ask this plumber who just cut the floor open and put new pex in about what his thoughts were when he put the wood down and toilet in. I’m sure he looked at it. I really appreciate this site. It’s amazing how help is so available.
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You need an awl or something like it and go into the crawlspace and poke at the beams joists and floor board so you can judge what is good and bad and take pictures so you can better explain what you have found.

Even if you do not do the repairs, you are better off if you know exactly how bad it is.

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