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Old 01-23-2011, 11:02 PM   #586
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The techs say to use super glue. It works on repairs, I don't know about gluing a bunch of planks together.
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Old 01-24-2011, 10:28 AM   #587
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mschluter - thanks for coherent description of the problem. I was planning to use the Allure in our sun room and now have second thoughts. Which my wife does not like at all!

The Allure is made from two pieces of material glued and sandwiched together. The same glue is throughout this sandwich. The question is if there are two types of glue or one, it may be important in case of this delamination.

You are right (IMHO) with the theory that there is problem with the thermal expansion/contraction coefficient between the two pieces of this sandwich. Is the place this delamination is happening toward the outside wall of the room?

This concave shape is interesting. It looks like the top layer finish shrank some. Is there window and the floor is exposed to UP sun rays? We have huge panoramatic window, south-oriented in our sun room.

For my own sake - could you tell if the room is heted/airconditioned 24 hours/day? Do you live in a cold or hot climate?

Our sun room is heated and air conditioned that same way as the rest of the house. But it is over crawl space that is not insulated at all. There is some insulation under the sun room, though.

You may made mistake by using roller after few days, only after some delamination already occurred. The manual recommends to use hair drier or something like to heat and therefore re-activate the glue.

Problem for me anyway, because I do not want to spend my few last years on the Earth fixing some vinyl laminate in this sun room.

We have (and show) dogs that are to be free to frolic (and sometimes piss) in this sun room. Now i will have to put there sheet vinyl and my wife will complain the the color/finish in our kitchen does not match the sun room. And I cannot use there the composition laminate that we have in the rest of the house - dog urine would be killer on this one.

Anyone there knows if there is vinyl sheet with finish to match the Cordoba tile by Allure?
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:47 PM   #588
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I made mistake asking " Do you live in a cold or hot climate?". I should ask how cold it is now over in the N. Cal?
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Old 01-24-2011, 06:53 PM   #589
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I've had my Allure floor in my kitchen now for over 2 years and haven't had any trouble at all with the seams coming undone. It's over a plywood subfloor on the main level. From reading posts on this topic seems like most of the people with problems installed their's over concrete. We still love the floor. It does show some scuffs and tiny scratches but is not noticeable at all unless you're really looking or in direct daylight. Overall we're pretty satisfied. I would have went with real wood but our house is old, subfloor not level, I was worried a wood floor wouldn't lay right. Maybe I'm paranoid but I'm happy we went with Allure.
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Old 01-24-2011, 08:27 PM   #590
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Spoke to allure today and they do have a product rolling out called allure ultra which is a clic floor... Rep at halstead said this can be used for unheated areas wondering how the vinyl would react to cold (northern Ontario). Not avail yet in Canadian home depot but is online in the states. Anyone used this version yet?
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mschluter - thanks for coherent description of the problem. I was planning to use the Allure in our sun room and now have second thoughts. Which my wife does not like at all!

The Allure is made from two pieces of material glued and sandwiched together. The same glue is throughout this sandwich. The question is if there are two types of glue or one, it may be important in case of this delamination.

You are right (IMHO) with the theory that there is problem with the thermal expansion/contraction coefficient between the two pieces of this sandwich. Is the place this delamination is happening toward the outside wall of the room?

This concave shape is interesting. It looks like the top layer finish shrank some. Is there window and the floor is exposed to UP sun rays? We have huge panoramatic window, south-oriented in our sun room.

For my own sake - could you tell if the room is heted/airconditioned 24 hours/day? Do you live in a cold or hot climate?

Our sun room is heated and air conditioned that same way as the rest of the house. But it is over crawl space that is not insulated at all. There is some insulation under the sun room, though.

You may made mistake by using roller after few days, only after some delamination already occurred. The manual recommends to use hair drier or something like to heat and therefore re-activate the glue.

Problem for me anyway, because I do not want to spend my few last years on the Earth fixing some vinyl laminate in this sun room.

We have (and show) dogs that are to be free to frolic (and sometimes piss) in this sun room. Now i will have to put there sheet vinyl and my wife will complain the the color/finish in our kitchen does not match the sun room. And I cannot use there the composition laminate that we have in the rest of the house - dog urine would be killer on this one.

Anyone there knows if there is vinyl sheet with finish to match the Cordoba tile by Allure?
Just to be clear, the product is not delaminating, the adhesive that joins the seams isn't up to par. I agree this issue seems to happen over concrete in this forum. I certainly used the hair dryer trick, the roller, heavy books on seams for days, kept it VERY dust free, any of these "fixes" the seams for a day or so but they lift again. As mentioned, its much less of issue where the floor gets the heavier foot traffic by the front door (where I also started laying the planks) and worse in the more "distal" part of the job, doesn't seem to favor either the edge or the middle of a run.

The studio I put it in gets chilly when I'm not using it, at least down to 50. There is no real window or UV issue.

Allure does seem like it would stand up to dog pee very very well, if the seams stuck for you. I have concluded that concrete and cold are its enemy, and it could perform very well in different circumstances than mine.
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:31 PM   #592
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Good advice on repairing seams of Allure Trafficmaster,we are certianly going to try.

We installed the flooring in a rental unit. It was awesome looking, then about 8 months later, we get a call from the renter that floor was buckling. It progressivley got worse. We called Allure and they arranged an inspection with an inspector, to look at the matter. He ruled that the glue was not working properly. Allure, through Home Depot refunded for the Sq.Ft. of flooring that was coming up at the seams. That was great, but doesn't help with the matter. (I can't afford to replace the flooring.)

They also sent us the "glue" to re-glue the seams. We re-glued the seams, rolled it. So far that did not work. We are going to try pulling off the shoe-moulding and making sure the floor is not touching base board. (yes, we installed it and left some space around peremeter,hence the shoe moulding, but we want to make sure) We will try the rolling pin tricj, instead of the rental roller. Also thinking of buying heavy bags of something to keep on spots for a few weeks. (apartment in unoccupied at moment)

Two things that have come into play that could be influencing the seam problem.

We noticed that the seam issue were in areas where no weight has ever been. Under sofa, under bed, in spare room with no furniture. Dining room, hallways, walk in closet, area around entertainment center, around dresser were all fine. Any thoughts?

I do believe that this floor is SUPER sesitive to temperature.
We found out after renter moved out, there had been a whole weekend period where she left air off and windows open. We live in Florida, so that means the apartment was exposed to some heat. We noticed some condensation under areas that were coming up.

It may be best to seal concrete before install. Any opinions on this?

What to do next?
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Old 02-10-2011, 12:36 AM   #593
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I too have been wondering about going ahead with a project in my entrance hallway with Allure tile pattern flooring. I had actually planned this last year but fortunately the project got delayed. I say fortunately because I have learned a lot more regarding this product over the past year. Also, I have read this thread from beginning to end, boy what a long thread! And one thing that does become evident is that there is more problems when you put this down over concrete than anywhere else. My front entrance way is an interior concrete slab at grade level. Here is my research, for what it's worth. Hope it helps.

Last year when I talked to HD reps I was told not to put anything under this flooring or it would void the warranty. As I mentioned, I didn't get started on the project last year. Two weeks ago I was in HD picking up some supplies in preparation to do the job now. The sales rep happened to mention that I should put 6 mil polyethylene underneath the Allure since it was going down onto concrete. I was taken by surprise by this and said that I thought nothing was supposed to be put under it and I was told this last year. He told me this was just a recent change in thinking from the company and that they now recommended the polyethylene only over concrete. Being an overly cautious person I called the company in New England and was told that they now recommend the polyethylene. In fact, they said "any underlayment suitable to be placed under wood laminate flooring would be okay and would not void the warranty".

I still didn't trust this reply so I called back a few days later and talked to another person. I asked the same questions and got the same reply. My thoughts were that I wanted to go with a premium underlay such as Airguard by Roberts. This is the type that is orange poly surface on one side with a clear poly bottom surface and small embedded styrofoam pellets sandwiched between the layers. One reason I wanted this product is that it has a built in mold inhibitor which is a feature I wanted considering some of the posts mentioned mold buildup under the Allure. This underlay is about $50 / 100sq ft so it will had 50 cents a square foot to your flooring costs but I feel it is worth it. I mentioned this product to the customer service adviser at Halstead and they said again, "any underlayment suitable for under wood laminate..." would be fine.

As far as also putting a sealer on the cement I think this is a good idea but I'm still not sure whether or not to do this. My fear is if somehow you got moisture between the Allure or the underlayment and the concrete now being sealed, there would definitely be nowhere for the moisture to go. At least, I believe, if the concrete is untreated, it will absorb moisture away from the flooring. One of the tests that is suggested to see if the concrete slab is suitable for sealing is to put some water on it and see if it soaks into the concrete. If it does, then supposedly this type of concrete would benefit from a sealer. If water does not soak in, then the concrete is not suitable for a sealer. This comes right from the literature on the sealer container. So my fear is, if you seal the concrete from moisture coming through from the bottom, you have also sealed the concrete from moisture being able to get away. I would like to hear other views on this to finally make up my mind "to seal, or not to seal".

One other thought on the installation where I believe problems could stem from is temperature of the floor. This is critical. Rolling with sufficient weight is also critical and I believe you have to be really careful how tightly you fasten down your trim on top of the Allure. It has to have a bit of space to expand or contract and if it is pinched tightly by mouldings around the perimeter you take this ability away, especially if you have a fairly wide temperature variation at that floor level throughout the various seasons. I couldn`t believe how cool my floor gets near the front door during the winter until I put a thermometer on the floor in that location.

I will be going ahead with this job in the next couple of weeks. Wish me luck. I will post how I make out.
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You may want to use a space heater during installation in the area where the floor is somewhat cold. Even though the air is somewhat warm, the floor will be colder. I used a safe space heater as a supplement to my forced air furnace directed at the floor area where I installed Allure planks on top of basement concrete floor. You are right, rolling is critical and so is spacing near floor molding to allow expansion, etc. I also believe that acclimation of the product to the area where it is being installed is important. My situation was unique in that I bought the product 6 months before installing it. (I had plenty of other work to do in finishing out basement rec room ... but bought Allure on sale, without much research until later.) 14 months later, absolutely no problems ... about 400 sq. feet worth. Maybe just luck of the draw. For what it is worth.
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In installed about 300 sq ft of the oak plank Allure flooring today for a friend of the family. I have to say after working with it for about 6 hours or so, I love it! So easy to install and lok awesome. My wife and I have been looking for a flooring option for our kitchen...this might just be it!
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dgeorge ... you said "lock". Did you use the glue version or the new interlocking Allure product I have heard about?
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dgeorge ... you said "lock". Did you use the glue version or the new interlocking Allure product I have heard about?
I believe he meant "look" awesome.
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I believe he meant "look" awesome

ahh ... makes sense. Thanks.
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I used the resilient planks, not the Allure Ultra. No glue in the system I used. They just stick together. I finished the 350 square foot room today and added a shoe molding along the edges to give it a clean apppearance. I'll try to get some pics once the floor is mopped clean of te dust. Overall, I am highly impressed with this product. Super easy!!!
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I didn't mean to imply that extra glue needed to be applied ... mine was the self-stick strips too, just like yours. Good luck.
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