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Old 08-11-2014, 10:35 PM   #16
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Skip Ditra and use 1/4" concrete backer with these small tiles.

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Can't do that if the floor is already partially covered with SLC.
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:49 PM   #17
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Darn, I forgot about the SLC. Actually I think it would still work. You won't find it in any book but you can shoot roofing nails into and through SLC covered with thinset. However.........

The only other thing is to continue making the floor flat. Install Ditra. Skim and fill every square and let it dry a day or so. Then install the mosaics. I know of several installations done this way when people were installing pebble mosaics.

There are other possibilities but would be even more work and would raise the floor level more.

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Darn, I forgot about the SLC.
The only other thing is to continue making the floor flat. Install Ditra. Skim and fill every square and let it dry a day or so. Then install the mosaics. I know of several installations done this way when people were installing pebble mosaics.
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I'm thinking that method also would not have the blessings of Schluter because of the voids that will remain in the product. Skimming and filling the waffles doesn't change the principal DITRA is built on.
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:16 PM   #19
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I know Schluter won't bless it, but he's half into it and didn't read the part about min. 2" tiles over Ditra.

I think he fills the waffles, then installs the tiles with modified to get a little "give" and hope for the best. The alternative is to rip everything out to the subfloor.

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Sounds like my ignorance has gotten me into a pickle.

First, answers to questions: I am using Henry's 554 LevelPro Underlayment Primer. I was going to use Henry's SLC but it wasn't available so I switched to Mapei Self Leveler (that is the name on the bag). I think someone said it wasn't ideal to mix brands but those would work fine together.

About the primer:
1) Is there a set amount of time after putting down primer you have to do the SLC? In other words, if there is a week delay, do you need to re-prime?
2) Am I correct in saying that if the SLC dries that you need to prime the dried SLC before putting more SLC over top of it?

Ok, now back to my pickle. We have expert disagreement....what would be the best option? Should I try to shoot nails into the SLC and do concrete backer? Should I use the modified ditra instructions Jaz provided? Or, is my best option to (cringing...) rip everything out and start over again? I am terrified thinking how hard it would be to rip that out. I screwed the heck out of that underlayment and now those screwheads are covered in SLC! But, I want to do it right. Would my hammer drill and scraper blade get the SLC up? I am guessing probably not...

As I looked at the sheets of basketweave tile, I do see that the bigger tiles are 2 inches long (but narrow) and the other tile in the weave is smaller. Not sure if that still disqualifies it from using ditra or not.

So, I've screwed up but it's water under the bridge now...what is the professional recommendation on the best way to proceed given the quandary I have created and now am stuck in?????
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I think it is bad news when you don't get any replies! Bud-what would you do given the situation? Jaz-you think the filling of ditra idea would work? If an idea is doomed to failure, I might as well bite the bullet and do what is necessary to fix things now.
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I think it is bad news when you don't get any replies! Bud-what would you do given the situation? Jaz-you think the filling of ditra idea would work? If an idea is doomed to failure, I might as well bite the bullet and do what is necessary to fix things now.
I come here to try and help a few people from time to time and maybe relax a little. I am approaching forty years of experience in the tile installation business. I don't care to hop around from thread to thread on the same subject, it's too confusing and it's too much work after being on the job all day.

I have already said (somewhere in one of these two threads) how I would do this job and I don't care to repeat myself again.

The "Bad News" comes when people ask the same questions over and over again after being told how it should be done. You can't continue to try to pit Jaz and I against one-another, we have known each other for a long time and we both follow the same "by-the-book" philosophy's of tile installation as prescribed by The Tile Council of North America. Neither of us are interested in watching you re-invent the wheel.

I'm out !!!
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What in the world are you talking about???? You act like I am trying to start a fight between you and Jaz. I was simply asking if there was any common ground for agreement since you guys seem to be the 2 experts around here.

You say I have been told "how it should be done" when just above you and Jaz have conflicting opinions. Doesn't seem to me there is any consensus with how it "should be done."

I have always had great respect for you until you wrote this ridiculous response. I was always impressed with the time you took to help complete strangers. Thank you for your help, but no thank you on the jerk response you just wrote chastising someone who is already ticked enough about making an honest mistake they don't know how to fix. Feel free to go find someone else to "help."

During the day, I am a very well known and respected surgeon--I'm extremely intelligent. However, somewhere during reading 4 books on laying tile, watching videos, reading internet articles, and being on chat forums while trying to learn to lay tile in 4 rooms and 2 walls in my house I missed the one simple fact that you don't put small tiles on ditra. Excuse me! I hope you feel really good about yourself for taking your precious time when you were "relaxing" to write an utterly asinine response insulting someone on a forum where the whole purpose is to help others. I'm glad you are "out" because I have no interest in listening to a jerk ramble on about reinventing the wheel in an incoherent message that makes no sense! Surely you have something better to do with your time....or maybe you don't...

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Hey Doc, relax and consider giving Bud an apology.

When you start a post with;
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I think it is bad news when you don't get any replies!
All you're doing is antagonizing those that spend 2-4 hours every evening trying to help. We don't owe you a timely answer, especially when you ask the same question on several forums and therefore the info is not the same everywhere. All the info was already given to you.

I too had to read and re-read replies and see how they matched with each other. At one time I was contributing to 11 tile forums, wouldn't surprise me if Bud was on all of them too.

I can tell you that there is no one that knows more than Bud about tile installation methods and all the misc. things that goes with the trade.

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