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Old 11-13-2013, 12:27 PM   #1
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Grout, sanded caulk, or both?


Questions in area are pictured below. Would I use grout for the whole thing, or use the sanded caulk in any of these areas? These are the products I have:






Would I be better off painting the riser then grout/caulk, or, doing the painting afterwards? I also need to install my base trim...before or after grout?


Front door threshold:




First stair riser:




There is a wood nosing going here with a grout gap line the same as the others.
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Old 11-13-2013, 04:55 PM   #2
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Any place tile changes direction or meets a different material you use caulking not grout.
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Thanks Joe. Should I caulk or grout first?
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I usually grout first---Then caulk---

I have heard of caulking first---so it must work for some people---but I believe it is easier to caulk last.
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Gotcha, thank you! First time grouting. This is going to suck I think.
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I wrote up a nice how to on grouting---look for jimf--downstairs bath or Big Jims--thread about 'large tiles'--I'm off to work----so you or someone else will need to dig it up----
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Make sure to clean up when your done.
It's a whole lot harder to get off once it's dried.
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Gotcha Mike, I will do a search for it.

Joe -- You're right. I wish I did a better job cleaning up the thinset when it was still wet.
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Here is a post from Jim Fs bathroom remodel---

Jim's downstairs bathroom project


Jim, The grout that you have chosen is a good one---Mix with cold clean water --about the consistancy of yellow mustard--

You don't want to do any of the water spraying goofyness--I suggest that ,as a novice, you do one wall at a time.--Use a soft white grout float--the disposable black sponge rubber ones tend to dig into the cracks and cause frustration.

Go back and forth several times and really pack the joints full--use the float like a squeegee--on an angle to the joints,to remove as much excess as you can--

Go have a small cup of coffee-----give the grout 10 to 15 minutes to set a little---

Then start the first 'break'(cleaning)--You will want to have 2 or 3 grout sponges and a couple of buckets of clean water---

The first break is to shape the joints and remove the majority of the excess grout---

Ring out your sponges almost dry--start cleaning using a gentle circular motion---don't try to actually clean the surface with the first break---just shape the joints and remove the majority from the face of the tile------You will probably only get 4 to 9 tiles before you need to flip the sponge---

Second break----no coffee this time--clean water --ring out the sponges almost dry--

All that should be on the tiles at this point is a messy smear---start wiping on a diagonal--

press the sponge flat with both hands and slowly pull the sponge and roll it as you pull --

You should get about 12 inches wiped before you flip the sponge and --press -slowly pull and roll up.


Final cleaning---at this point all that should be on the face of the tile is haze and a lot of small streaks---You can have another cup of coffee----Wait about 15 minutes--

Final wipe--if done correctly--the tile should (had better be) be clean and shiny--done except for the tiniest bit of streaks.

This time --go with the tiles,not diagonally--two hands on the sponge- press-pull and roll only about 12 inches --then flip the sponge and do another 12 inches--rinse ring dry and repeat--Most beginners try to get to much cleaning out of a dirty sponge--Any one who has wiped up a glob of jelly knows the press and roll of the sponge----Good luck--Mike-- ___________
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Thanks for the detailed write-up Mike. I don't eat jelly, mustard, or drink coffee...what do I do now?

All makes sense, 'wiping up jelly', that's good.
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I use epoxy grout for most jobs---That product is great,but totally unforgiving---
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Well it went much much better than I had expected. I think I need to wipe it down a couple more times to get the haze off, but it's basically clean. I was concerned about getting the grout lines to look right, or the grout pulling out as the sponge wiped over them. No issues.

I did however end up with 2 blisters I've never gotten in all my life before, right in the middle of my palm.

Thanks for all the help! I have some grout sealer I assume I should put on there too....
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Well it went much much better than I had expected. I think I need to wipe it down a couple more times to get the haze off, but it's basically clean.
Yeah, don't go to bed until it is as clean as you're ever going to want it. Any haze left overnight will basically turn into cement.
If you have a microfiber cleaning cloth on hand they work great for the final wipe down.
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No worries about continually skimming the grout with a moist sponge?

Didn't realize it would do that. I'll hit it a couple more times after I eat then. I figured the haze would rub off. (Barely noticeable at this point)
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At this point just buff with a microfiber or lint free towel. A moist sponge will keep putting the haze back on the tile.
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