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Old 03-14-2019, 01:13 PM   #16
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I had a Kenmore HE front load washer for a few years. Hated it because the clothes never got really clean and didn't smell fresh after washing. It used very little water thsough, but what's the point of water savings if the clothes weren't clean after washing? They even need "washing machine cleaner" cause the front loaders have a tendency to get stinky after awhile. No thanks.

Got rid of it and got a SpeedQueen top load model. Clothes are now clean and smell good too, plus it has a 7 year warranty.
No surprise. Kenmore is low end. Never had issues with cleaning. As for smell, I would run a cup of bleach and hot water on an empty load ever couple of months to prevent the moldy smell. Also make sure the door stays open when not in use.
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I had a Kenmore HE front load washer for a few years. Hated it because the clothes never got really clean and didn't smell fresh after washing. It used very little water though, but what's the point of water savings if the clothes weren't clean after washing? They even need "washing machine cleaner" cause the front loaders have a tendency to get stinky after awhile. No thanks.

Got rid of it and got a SpeedQueen top load model. Clothes are now clean and smell good too, plus it has a 7 year warranty.
I haven't had that problem with my Samsung front load. Interesting. Must be a difference between models.

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Can't speak for your LG but I have a Maytag Bravos washer. This was inherited from the previous home owner. It also has the minimal agitator.
I have been using it for over a year now and it seems to be getting clothes clean. From what I have read about these machines, the low water level is by design and the manufacturers assert that the cloths do not need to be submerged to get clean. One thing these machines do is pump and spray the soapy water on the cloths while they are being agitated. The minimal agitator does move the cloths around enough (barely).

For me, top loaders should be banned. This is a concept from the 1950's! The only reason they exist is that people are resistant to change and want something that looks like what their parents had. Front loaders are the way to go. They get clothes clean by dropping them into the soapy water. Front loaders have been around for decades and are proven technology.

I only wish these things could be made more durable. My LG front loader had the main board go bad. Easy to fix but cost $300 for the part. Had to replace the main bearing and water pump on the Maytag this year. The bearing replacement was challenging to say the least.

Why ban them? Are they unsafe? Do they injure puppies? I thought they represented the free marketplace in action. If nobody bought them, they wouldn't make them.
Some small laundry rooms, like mine, don't easily accommodate a front loader. Top loaders are also cheaper, not by as much as they used to be but generally still cheaper for comparative specs. Reviews being equal, I would buy another top loader primarily because it is cheaper. It's just laundry folks.
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That is the only drawback to front loaders. They vibrate up and down instead of side to side so they have to be placed on a rock solid floor. If not you will need to do some creative bracing or vibration damping.
We had a front loader in the 70's. It was a great washer but very heavy because it had concrete blocks built into it to keep it on the ground during spin cycles.
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Why ban them? Are they unsafe? Do they injure puppies? I thought they represented the free marketplace in action. If nobody bought them, they wouldn't make them.
Some small laundry rooms, like mine, don't easily accommodate a front loader. Top loaders are also cheaper, not by as much as they used to be but generally still cheaper for comparative specs. Reviews being equal, I would buy another top loader primarily because it is cheaper. It's just laundry folks.
We got the toploader for that reason: our laundry room wouldn't fit a front loader. I am able to get to the bottom of this washer by an inch or so... Any shorter and I'd have to use a stool. My wife could never use this - but that's ok since I do the laundry.
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Have you ever actually left the washer to do its thing, with the "limited" water it uses? Let it wash and then look at the clothes? Some devices have various stages, and you may have to wait for additional water or aggregation. I've seen people stop things like this at the very beginning, when they don't believe it'll work, and have never actually let it do its thing, causing it to never actually work. If you're still unsatisfied, have you called LG to ask about it? I'm curious what they say.

As for the app part, on newer versions of Android give you the option to deny those privileges to the app. It's denied by default and it must ask for your permission. It's also changeable after the fact. I can't say much about iOS stuff, and other options. I don't use any products that use anything else, haven't for a fairly long time.

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So here's my theory on how a washer works. This new LG actually gets stains out very well and whites are very white... So far so good.

But when you wash clothes, the dirt all comes out into the water and the clothes are in dirty water - sum of water, fabric, and dirt didn't change. Then the water passes right back through the clothes during spin. So a washing machine doesn't really get your clothes clean; it simply dilutes the dirt making your clothes less dirty. (remember, just my theory; I'm not a clothes scientist)

It seems to me that the key to getting them less-dirty is diluting the dirt in more water rather than in less.

I washed a very small load of delicates last night that couldn't go in the dryer so the wife had me put liquid fabric softener in. WHen the load was completed, including extra rinse, there were gobs of fabric softener on top of the clothes and on the wall of the tub. And I only put about a 1/4 cup in the dispenser. I washed them again, going through all of the hacks I have to do in order to get a load of water, and got them rinsed out better.

I know I'm probably just paranoid but I almost always end up running each load through a second time just to make sure the clothes are rinsed well.
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So here's my theory on how a washer works. This new LG actually gets stains out very well and whites are very white... So far so good.



But when you wash clothes, the dirt all comes out into the water and the clothes are in dirty water - sum of water, fabric, and dirt didn't change. Then the water passes right back through the clothes during spin. So a washing machine doesn't really get your clothes clean; it simply dilutes the dirt making your clothes less dirty. (remember, just my theory; I'm not a clothes scientist)



It seems to me that the key to getting them less-dirty is diluting the dirt in more water rather than in less.



I washed a very small load of delicates last night that couldn't go in the dryer so the wife had me put liquid fabric softener in. WHen the load was completed, including extra rinse, there were gobs of fabric softener on top of the clothes and on the wall of the tub. And I only put about a 1/4 cup in the dispenser. I washed them again, going through all of the hacks I have to do in order to get a load of water, and got them rinsed out better.



I know I'm probably just paranoid but I almost always end up running each load through a second time just to make sure the clothes are rinsed well.
Maybe it's a design flaw in that model.

Now if the fabric softener is buoyant in water, it may never rise very well using this method, and simply requires plenty of dilution. You should consult the manual about how much softener you should use though, as it is usually much reduced compared to a conventional washer.

I would hope that it would circulate the water either through a filter, or down the drain while adding a bit more. It very well could be a design flaw. We may be misunderstanding how it works. I do know that water is a decent solvent and quite a lot of materials will either stay dissolved or at least suspended within the water while the temperature doesn't drop or slow down. They could be using this to great advantage.

I'd still like to hear what the manufacturer says about it. Is it something that we are misunderstanding, or something that they forgot. (of course they won't be so blunt about accepting the blame. You'll have to deduct that from their language and tone.)

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1/4 cup is way too much. You have to use less soap and softener. Think about it. If your old washer used 40 gallons of water and your new washer is using five gallons think about how much more soap and softener you are using then you need. The max lines in the soap dispenser are deceiving. If your water is real soft only a tablespoon or two is necessary. Any more will cause soap buildup in a machine. Particularly a problem in front loaders. I canít tell you how many times we have seen on the same street where one person will have a stinky washer, moldy gasket and the other people have no issues. Then try and tell them they are using too much soap. Some listen but some donít. Also some of the cheaper softeners donít work well with the soap,dishes that siphon. You may have to switch brands. We have done their warranty work for at least 25 years. Canít say the exact amount of time. Was Hampton bay and gold star at one point. Personally I really like their front loaders. You are not the only one to complain about the lack of water. Any machine that is energy star rated is only allowed to use so much water so the manufacturers have to find creative ways to clean the clothes and meet the requirements.
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So here's my theory on how a washer works. This new LG actually gets stains out very well and whites are very white... So far so good.

But when you wash clothes, the dirt all comes out into the water and the clothes are in dirty water - sum of water, fabric, and dirt didn't change. Then the water passes right back through the clothes during spin. So a washing machine doesn't really get your clothes clean; it simply dilutes the dirt making your clothes less dirty. (remember, just my theory; I'm not a clothes scientist)

It seems to me that the key to getting them less-dirty is diluting the dirt in more water rather than in less.

I washed a very small load of delicates last night that couldn't go in the dryer so the wife had me put liquid fabric softener in. WHen the load was completed, including extra rinse, there were gobs of fabric softener on top of the clothes and on the wall of the tub. And I only put about a 1/4 cup in the dispenser. I washed them again, going through all of the hacks I have to do in order to get a load of water, and got them rinsed out better.

I know I'm probably just paranoid but I almost always end up running each load through a second time just to make sure the clothes are rinsed well.
As a non-washer expert I'm keen to take up your theory of the inner secrets of washing machines. In which case, though, I'd posit that a front loader would be better because it runs the water more directly through the clothes during the spray cycle and drains it off more like a dishwasher - rather than letting the clothes "soak" in the dirty water as a top loader does.

Also, yeah, 1/4 cup of softner is way, way too much. You're only supposed to use a cap-full
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As a non-washer expert I'm keen to take up your theory of the inner secrets of washing machines. In which case, though, I'd posit that a front loader would be better because it runs the water more directly through the clothes during the spray cycle and drains it off more like a dishwasher - rather than letting the clothes "soak" in the dirty water as a top loader does.

Also, yeah, 1/4 cup of softner is way, way too much. You're only supposed to use a cap-full
Ok, I accept responsibility for using too much fabric softener . I didn't fill the dispenser nearly to the max line but considering that the All Free-and-Clear bottle said 0.8 oz for a regular load, and given that this was a very small load and the washer uses so little washer, it was certainly too much.
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Ok, I accept responsibility for using too much fabric softener . I didn't fill the dispenser nearly to the max line but considering that the All Free-and-Clear bottle said 0.8 oz for a regular load, and given that this was a very small load and the washer uses so little washer, it was certainly too much.
Lol. 1/4 cup is 2 fl.oz. just a hair too much.

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But when you wash clothes, the dirt all comes out into the water and the clothes are in dirty water - sum of water, fabric, and dirt didn't change. Then the water passes right back through the clothes during spin. So a washing machine doesn't really get your clothes clean; it simply dilutes the dirt making your clothes less dirty. (remember, just my theory; I'm not a clothes scientist)

It seems to me that the key to getting them less-dirty is diluting the dirt in more water rather than in less.
I'm not a "clothes scientist" either, but, being a different kind of scientist, I have a theory as to how modern washing machines can get clothes clean using very little water.

First, you're certainly correct that one way to get clothes clean is to dunk them in a large amount of water, and then agitate them to loosen the the dirt, which will cause the dirt to be diluted into the water. (Actually, lots of dirt isn't actually soluble in water, so technically it's not necessarily getting diluted - but particulates are getting dispersed into the water, so the idea is the same: the more water, the lower the concentration of dirt and dirt particles in the water.)

However, another way to do this is to agitate the clothes in a tiny amount of water, which will result in a high concentration of dirt in the water. Then you drain off that water and do it again a few times. Each time you do it, you dilute the dirt by several fold. So, if you do it right, even though you have to go through several cycles, you end up using less water than just one wash cycle with a large amount of water, but getting the clothes just as clean.

Now, my own real world experience with an LG front loader was that my sweaty clothes continued to smell after I washed them. Fortunately, my front loader has a "sanitary" setting, which means it will use extremely hot water. That has worked reasonably well to kill the bacteria that cause the smell. It will take longer than the regular setting, but that's fine.

Finally, with regard to the washer getting musty odors - as someone else says, just leave the door open so it can dry when you're not using it. I never had a problem.
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Our LG washer is fantastic and best washer I have used over the past 50 years. I make use of its soak setting for some clothes and also the bulk setting for something like a comforter or its Water Plus setting to have more water automatically added.

How long the wash cycle is depends on the load. For a small load it is 45 minutes and naturally longer with a full load or the Soak setting or Heavy dirt setting.

It is super quiet and so we can run it anytime and I can tell from the digital readout exactly how many minutes it will take to finish.

After two years of use I would not hesitate to buy another identical one in the future or recommend it to others.
Important to use the new type of detergent with these new washers.
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