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Old 04-13-2019, 09:20 PM   #31
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The newer appliances might use less energy, water, etc. but are they as durable and do they do their job as well. It sounds like a number of the new dishwasher do not. All the appliances in our house came with the place so are roughly 24 years old and a variety of manufacturers. I think we had one service call for the fridge and I fixed a couple of things on the washing machine; other than that everything else ticks along. Both the washing machine and dishwasher have clockwork timers. Yes, I have to turn the TV up when the DW and top loader run, but life does carry on.


I actually fear having to hunt for replacements when the day comes.
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I don't have a problem having different brands of appliances in my kitchen. Nobody going to notice or care that the little decal is different on your fridge and dishwasher. Don't restrict yourself by making an unnecessary requirement that they all be the same brand. (although you may be able to get an additional discount if you buy all appliances from one manufacturer).


My higher end Bosch dishwasher is definitely the best I have ever owned (a few years old). So quiet you can barely tell its running. Cleans fine, and low energy consumption. After that, not sure how to tell the difference between a good range and a bad one --- I think you need to go to Consumer Reports. People on this forum may hate Brand X range because they had one that had to be repaired 3 times --- but anecdotes of a model that hasn't been made in 15 years is hardly a good way to choose an appliance.
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The best appliance company in the world without a doubt is Fisher Paykel.

Innovative design, user friendly, elegant, and energy efficient.

The old line appliance companies are years behind.
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The best appliance company in the world without a doubt is Fisher Paykel.

Innovative design, user friendly, elegant, and energy efficient.

The old line appliance companies are years behind.
F&P bought DCS (Dynamic Cooking Systems) a high end US based appliance line in 2004.

In 2012, 90% of F&P shares was bought by Haier, the makers of GE (and other) appliances. Hopefully, Haier will leave F&P alone as they are amazing appliances, and you pay for them.

I do like their dish drawer. It looks like a great idea. Wish I had the space.

Wash, I understand your reticence on using additional chemicals, some dishwashing detergent has a rinse aid built-in. But, I have never read about any issues with rinse-aids. Just buy major names and not knock-offs and you won't get strange chemicals.
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One thing I do like to do, even before I purchase an item, is to read the manual. I did that before I bought my new laptop and it made me switch from one to another.

I also did it for my new Jeep. I was going to go with the Cherokee Trailhawk but something I read in the manual made me switch to the Limited. And, 30K miles later, we are still happy with "Jessica".

As someone who has written several user manuals for software. We try and put in as many suggestions to help with issues that we and others have come across while using the software.

So, RTFM has a special place in my heart. For example, in a Bosch dishwasher, you can turn on "Intensive Drying" which heats the water to a higher temp so the items being cleaned are hotter. Also, if your dishwasher offers a Sani-cycle, that will also heat the final rinse water to a higher temperature as well.

The manual also tells you about maintenance of your appliance. How much detergent to use (Most people use WAY to much) and what kind. When to clean filters and where they are (yes, your washers both dish and clothes have filters that need to be cleaned) Not cleaning your dishwasher filter can lead to dishes not being cleaned as well or drying as well.

The manual can also tell you about "hidden" features of your appliance.

In case you are wondering what RTFM means, well, it means READ THE FRIGGIN' MANUAL. And caps are intended and friggin' was a substitute for a more inappropriate word.
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F&P bought DCS (Dynamic Cooking Systems) a high end US based appliance line in 2004.

In 2012, 90% of F&P shares was bought by Haier, the makers of GE (and other) appliances. Hopefully, Haier will leave F&P alone as they are amazing appliances, and you pay for them.

I do like their dish drawer. It looks like a great idea. Wish I had the space.

Wash, I understand your reticence on using additional chemicals, some dishwashing detergent has a rinse aid built-in. But, I have never read about any issues with rinse-aids. Just buy major names and not knock-offs and you won't get strange chemicals.
The Dish Drawer is an amazing appliance. As is the counter cook top.
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I think LG and Samsung is the best option for you.
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The Dish Drawer is an amazing appliance. As is the counter cook top.

I have seen the dish drawers online and in the stores, but what is special about them? What do they do that is different than a traditional dishwasher, except that they might wash smaller loads and appear to be raised higher and more convenient to use?
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Bosch dishwashers lack the heating element of other brands and so over time will start to develop a smelly interior. I went with a KitchenAid instead for this reason. The KitchenAid dishwasher makes no more noise than a friend's Bosch dishwasher and when it is running I have to look at the LED light to verify that it is doing so as it is so very quiet.
Similar problem with the low water using front loading clothes washers that also start to smell as a result of water not draining out completely.

I always read the owners' reviews of appliances that are easily found on the websites for Best Buy and Home Depot and Lowes and other appliance resellers. When I read 30 or more positive or negative review about an appliance's performance or warranty problems with the local dealers or the manufacturer, this information is used to decide on which brand and which model to buy.
There is no reason to rely on a website such as this one that provides a tiny fraction of the information that can be found on appliance specific websites.
Something one cannot glean from online reviews though is how efficient the dishwasher is from a loading perspective. Our KitchenAid dishwasher has enabled us to load 20% more dishware and so go longer between running it and cut down the amount of hand washing of tall wine or beer glasses.
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I have seen the dish drawers online and in the stores, but what is special about them? What do they do that is different than a traditional dishwasher, except that they might wash smaller loads and appear to be raised higher and more convenient to use?


Best part about it isn’t he wife told me that she will never go back to the old style. So if she’s happy about a dishwasher I’m happy. It really is a lot more convenient. Just using one drawer for the most part. They do clean well. Quiet as well. The old dishwashers were so loud. They’ve all come a long way


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