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Old 05-06-2019, 08:02 AM   #16
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You can wash oil off your hands with WD40. Just sayin. I use PB Blaster. But to each his own.
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Glad to hear it worked out for you. This is slightly O.T., but many years ago, I let my wife's best friend borrow my full-size wagon with only 60,000 miles on it to haul some stuff to a location 150 miles away. When she returned the car, she told me the engine had overheated. I asked what she did then, and was incredulous when she told me she just kept going - more than fifty miles with the hot engine light on. It didn't seize up, but from then on it burned oil almost as fast as I could pour it in. When I told her she should pay at least part of the repair cost because she damaged the engine by continuing to drive it, the 'friend' said she had done nothing wrong - and that I owed her an apology for lending her a defective car because she could have been left stranded on the highway when it overheated. Entitled b***h! The scary part is that she could have decided to sue me for 'reckless endangerment', or some such thing, and there are juries that would have ruled in her favor. With that in mind, I might have actually gotten off easy with just the repair costs. Now when people ask to borrow my truck, I tell them, "Enterprise will pick you up." I hate to do it beause I really like helping people, but it's become too risky in modern American society.
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WD-40 = Water Displacement formula # 40, from the inventor.
Alcohol is the ingredient that provides the "water displacement". It can also wipe cylinders dry, so once you've sprayed WD40 into all the spark plug holes you should use the starter to turn the motor over. It won't start without compression (and it can't build compression without the spark plugs in their holes), but if you crank it a few revolutions with the starter you'll blow most of the alcohol and water out of the cylinders.

When I did this, I also squirted some 10W-40 oil into the cylinders before I tried to start the engine, but not much or you might "foul" your spark plugs.

The best outcome is for you to not need to replace the head gasket, but the chances of that are minimal. The worst outcome could be some engine damage if you got it started and didn't manage to get it shut down quickly enough. Since you will have all the spark plugs out the engine won't start, so if it were me I'd just crank that starter for about 90 seconds to get the cylinders all cleaned out before you seal it up with new spark plugs...make sure the spark plug wires are back on correctly, crank it and hope for the best outcome!

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Alcohol is the ingredient that provides the "water displacement". It can also wipe cylinders dry, so once you've sprayed WD40 into all the spark plug holes you should use the starter to turn the motor over. It won't start without compression (and it can't build compression without the spark plugs in their holes), but if you crank it a few revolutions with the starter you'll blow most of the alcohol and water out of the cylinders.

When I did this, I also squirted some 10W-40 oil into the cylinders before I tried to start the engine, but not much or you might "foul" your spark plugs.

The best outcome is for you to not need to replace the head gasket, but the chances of that are minimal. The worst outcome could be some engine damage if you got it started and didn't manage to get it shut down quickly enough. Since you will have all the spark plugs out the engine won't start, so if it were me I'd just crank that starter for about 90 seconds to get the cylinders all cleaned out before you seal it up with new spark plugs...make sure the spark plug wires are back on correctly, crank it and hope for the best outcome!

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Thanks, yer. It does need a head gasket- I saw the coolant squirting out of driv side cylinder. And update: i drained all the oil as was recomended above, and wow, the first drainage was about a pint of greesnish anti freeze. Then came the oil. I dripped it for 2-3 hours till not even a drop would drip out.
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Thanks, yer. It does need a head gasket- I saw the coolant squirting out of driv side cylinder. And update: i drained all the oil as was recomended above, and wow, the first drainage was about a pint of greesnish anti freeze. Then came the oil. I dripped it for 2-3 hours till not even a drop would drip out.
Yes, the coolant squirting out between the head and block would be a regular sign of a blown head gasket, as would a lot of "steam" coming out of the tailpipe. I blew one on my Ford Ranger and had to tow it to the repair shop...it was too late, when the mechanic put it on the lift and pulled the drain plug from the pan the first thing to come out was water. I'm going to have to replace the $2300 long block now...

Oil floats on water, so anytime water is the first thing to come out of the pan when you pull the plug, you'd better be ready for some mechanic work!

I'd offer cheers, as I usually do....but if you've never pulled a cylinder head to replace a head gasket, you find that you won't have much to cheer about. If you're an experienced mechanic with all the necessary tools you'll probably need about 2 hours; if you are not experienced, this might not be the job to start learning about mechanical repairs...it's a pretty labor intensive process and requires some rather unusual tools (do you have a torque wrench?) and quite a bit of time.

BTW...my past wife did not know about warped engine parts or overheating, so when that deer jumped out in front of her car and she hit it, she just kept on going. Imagine her surprise when the engine froze up because the coolant all leaked out and there was nothing to cool the engine. She was 90 miles from home, in the middle of nowhere...I had to fix it on the shoulder of U.S. Hwy 59S with all the cars whizzing by.

Best of luck...please let us know how things turn out!

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Thanks, yer. It does need a head gasket- I saw the coolant squirting out of driv side cylinder. And update: i drained all the oil as was recomended above, and wow, the first drainage was about a pint of greesnish anti freeze. Then came the oil. I dripped it for 2-3 hours till not even a drop would drip out.
Your engine needs to be replaced.
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Your engine needs to be replaced.
For a head gasket?
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For a head gasket?
Everything is ruined. Main bearings, journals, all of it. If coolant comes out of the oil pan drain, the whole engine is shot. The end.

It isn't just a "head gasket" if the crankcase has so much coolant in it that it flows out of the oil pan.
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Everything is ruined. Main bearings, journals, all of it. If coolant comes out of the oil pan drain, the whole engine is shot. The end.

It isn't just a "head gasket" if the crankcase has so much coolant in it that it flows out of the oil pan.
That may be true you haven't asked enough questions to clarify the thinking to make that judgment.
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That may be true you haven't asked enough questions to clarify the thinking to make that judgment.
True, If it sat there for days, leaking down the cylinder wall, without running, all it did was fill the oil pan.

Rings may be near wore out, and let fluid seep by.

Remember water gets by the tiniest space, because of it's molecular structure.

His best option is to rebuild it, but with funding scarce, he might be able to squeeze another 25,000 miles out of it as is, after new head gasket.

I would be more concerned about the mating surfaces of the block, and head, where the leak to atmosphere was.

It can easily erode there and not be sealable again.

So inspect those well, and clean all old material from the surfaces.


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A head gasket, that you can do yourself, might get the car running for awhile. The internals are damaged though. I wouldn't pay for that repair. I would pay somebody to replace the whole engine, if I wanted to keep the car. Hope it works out!
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Wow, I didnt know. Car sat for about 2-3 days before I drained it. Is there something I can do now to "flush" coolant/water out? Maybe even fill it with low cost motor oil, turn it over a bunch of times (maybe it will even start, now that all coolant has been drained as well) , and drain oil?

Please say it isnt so, people!

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I would be more concerned about the mating surfaces of the block, and head, where the leak to atmosphere was. ED
It will be important to take the head to a repair shop, for exactly the reason de-nagorg just mentioned. The head that is warped and leaking will need to be "magnafluxed" to see if it is cracked...if it is, it's "...new cylinder head time". If it is not cracked, it would still be necessary to have the mating surface of the head machined so it is flat...otherwise you'll have to do this whole job all over again.

When my wife hit that deer and kept on going (not that I would have wanted her to stop so far from a town), the head was warped by the heat so it had to be surfaced...and even after that the head gasket was prone to failure.

We eventually sold the car to get rid of the maintenance headaches involving future gasket failures.

Good luck.....I hope your issue turns out better than mine did.

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Wow, I didnt know. Car sat for about 2-3 days before I drained it. Is there something I can do now to "flush" coolant/water out? Maybe even fill it with low cost motor oil, turn it over a bunch of times (maybe it will even start, now that all coolant has been drained as well) , and drain oil?

Please say it isnt so, people!
I have done this.

Put Diesel fuel in the crankcase, turn it over long enough to build up oil pressure, and circulate the DIESEL through the system.

Then drain it out, change filter, and use the oil of your choice to refill and new filter, And hope that the coolant has been flushed away.

This usually works, if everything else is good.

But if the head has warped, or the block surface has eroded, you will have a problem too soon.

Check them very well. before reassembling the engine.

If this engine is Aluminum block heads, give up now, and save your money, for a new long block.

Note a long block is a replacement engine with heads and intake on it.

I hope you have a good current engine.

Was it driven very far overheating?


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If this engine is Aluminum block heads, give up now, and save your money, for a new long block.

Note a long block is a replacement engine with heads and intake on it.
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Speaking of which...and sorry for the "drift"...but I can recall when one could go to the nearest Hi-Lo/O'Rieley's type parts store and order a "short block", which is a rebuilt engine without the heads. When I "abused" my Ranger's engine I tried desperately to find an auto supply store that could order a "short block". They tried, seems nobody produces short blocks any more, I couldn't find ANY parts store that could order just the short block, but they all carried the rebuilt long blocks.

Is this a Ford/Mercury product? I recently ran across an advertisement for a company who would ship a long block to your mechanic that was reported to be remanufactured by Ford, itself. The cost was in the $1500 range, but there were some very stringent requirements regarding the return of the original engine...still, if you're willing to look online and can find the company (I lost my copy...my apologies!!!) it looks like the least expensive way to get your car back on the road.

If it's not a Ford....well, you'll have to do your own research, Fords are all I drive!!

Cheers from Dugly!
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