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Old 04-07-2017, 09:30 AM   #16
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This is a pic of a rear axle repair bearing. The axle is the race so if there is a groove bout an inch wide, you can use this as it moves the race in a little. The right way is to replace axle and bearing if there is wear on the axle. Or if there is no wear you can just replace the bearing and seal. Gonna need a slide hammer to remove the bearing. If you was low on oil, it went somewhere. Need to find it and repair.
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Old 04-09-2017, 07:57 AM   #17
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An update. I took the truck to my friends shop so he could listen to the noise it was making. We got in the truck, was about to back out, and the truck shut off and would not crank. He diagnosed this particular problem as the PATS system.

The other key for the truck was at home, and I had to go get it. We tried the other key to the truck. It started up, and them immediately shut off again and would not crank. With both keys, when you turn the key on without actually starting the truck, the PATS light never stops flashing. It's supposed to stop flashing shortly after turning the key on.

He's got a scanner that he hooked up to it, and says it's 1 of 2 things. The PATS system is built into the PCM and the PCM will have to be replaced, or somethings up with the keys. He has no way to test the keys, so Monday we'll be going to the dealership to see if they can test the keys.

Never even got to the original problem since we can't move the truck.
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The dealership won't test the keys without the truck. Now, it's sitting at my friends shop until he has time to look at it more.
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Yep the days of good help from a Ford Dealership is gone.

For the last ten years or so all they do is overcharge for mediocre service.

I won't be taking any of my Fords there for service again.

Besides I have my own A S E certificate and can do just as good as they do, I just don't have the Electronic equipment that they have.

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Yeah, I don't care to go to the dealer either. I don't know much about the PATS system, but I have been reading as much as possible on a bunch of different Ford forums trying to figure this out.
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Update: We spoke with our mechanic friend last night. He got the truck running with the original keys. He said that he connected it to his computer. The computer showed that the PATS was inactive. He reactivated it through his computer and the truck started. He doesn't know what would cause it to suddenly go inactive, and said it's the first time he's encountered something like that.
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Do trucks still have U-Joints? Back in the good ole days that's the first thing we would check. When one got bad nuff the car would shake at about 45 mph, sometimes less mph if it was bout to come flying out.
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Update: We spoke with our mechanic friend last night. He got the truck running with the original keys. He said that he connected it to his computer. The computer showed that the PATS was inactive. He reactivated it through his computer and the truck started. He doesn't know what would cause it to suddenly go inactive, and said it's the first time he's encountered something like that.
That is a little odd.^^^. Most Techs don't have access to the system. If it happens again I'd get some new keys.

On a side note your engine has something call a cam syncro. It's basically the bottom half of an old distributor. It's drives the cam sensor and the oil pump. When it fails the engine keeps running but the oil pump stops. It's located at the back of the engine passenger side. Throw your stethoscope on it. Any noise? Have you ever replaced it?

Now more than ever you need to use quality parts. For bearings it Timkins or SKF. I buy what I can from rockauto. Front bearings for your truck are cheap. Always get new seals too.
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On a side note your engine has something call a cam syncro. It's basically the bottom half of an old distributor. It's drives the cam sensor and the oil pump. When it fails the engine keeps running but the oil pump stops. It's located at the back of the engine passenger side. Throw your stethoscope on it. Any noise? Have you ever replaced it?

Now more than ever you need to use quality parts. For bearings it Timkins or SKF. I buy what I can from rockauto. Front bearings for your truck are cheap. Always get new seals too.
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I didn't even know this was on there. With the coil packs, I assumed they had done away with the entire distributor. Adding this to my list of things to do next. I also use Rockauto, and Motorcraft for parts when available.

Timkin (USA made), SKF, and National are what I use for bearings. Haven't had any problems except with the Timkins made in Mexico.

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech...n_sensor.shtml

Thanks for the information.
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Forgot to add. About the noise we were hearing. The mechanic friend said to bring a new gasket and some oil. He wants to open the rear diff and look inside. So that's the next step.

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Yep. They seem fine to me on this truck.

A little off-topic. My MX-5 Miata has non-serviceable U-joints. When a U-joint goes, you have to replace the whole driveshaft.

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Forgot to add. About the noise we were hearing. The mechanic friend said to bring a new gasket and some oil. He wants to open the rear diff and look inside. So that's the next step.

Good idea! ^^^^

Have the tech listen to the syncro. If it's original might be time for a new one. $100 for a new MC @Rock auto. Change the tstat (MC) and coolant on the 3.0. The Vulcan does not like to overheat. Do those things you'll get 300k out of it. I've saved many a Vulcan just by noticing the "chirp of death" coming from a Ranger!

You might not have this issue in Texas but another common fail on the ranger that causes a weird variety of issues are the ebrake cables.

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Good idea! ^^^^

Have the tech listen to the syncro. If it's original might be time for a new one. $100 for a new MC @Rock auto. Change the tstat (MC) and coolant on the 3.0. The Vulcan does not like to overheat. Do those things you'll get 300k out of it. I've saved many a Vulcan just by noticing the "chirp of death" coming from a Ranger!

You might not have this issue in Texas but another common fail on the ranger that causes a weird variety of issues are the ebrake cables.

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Radiator, Tstat, and coolant gets changed every 90k miles. Radiators are cheap, and with the Texas heat and plastic radiator tanks, it's good insurance.

We're close to 211k on the truck right now. If I would have known about the cam syncro, it would have been on the maintenance schedule. Glad you told me. I just assumed that was a sensor back there.

No issues with the E-brake cable. Might be snow/salty roads related.
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