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Old 04-23-2016, 02:41 PM   #31
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I believe Gardz will.
I'm confused. Is that what you use? It's made for drywall not wood. Peel Stop is a binding sealer designed for wood.

But I doubt any of you are using Gardz or Peel Stop. My guess is you are using a basic primer. Which will not resolve the issues you guys claim require you to prime primed trim.

And I know this because I actually use these products.
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I'm confused. Is that what you use? It's made for drywall not wood. Peel Stop is a binding sealer designed for wood.

But I doubt any of you are using Gardz or Peel Stop. My guess is you are using a basic primer. Which will not resolve the issues you guys claim require you to prime primed trim.

And I know this because I actually use these products.
Lock down porous and crumbling surfaces with Rust-Oleum® Zinsser® GARDZ® Problem Surface Sealer. This low-odor, water-based formula dries to a clear, matte finish, creating a hard, paintable seal over damaged drywall, adhesive residues and other chalky surfaces.
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Lock down porous and crumbling surfaces with Rust-Oleum® Zinsser® GARDZ® Problem Surface Sealer. This low-odor, water-based formula dries to a clear, matte finish, creating a hard, paintable seal over damaged drywall, adhesive residues and other chalky surfaces.
I guess you want to include wood in that? I guess for that matter you could insert plastic or metal as other chalky surfaces? Gardz was made for sealing damaged drywall and wallpaper residue not primed wood trim, it won't work the same way. That's why they created Peel Stop. It is specifically designed for wood surfaces with chalky surfaces.

But let's not get off the subject. You don't use Gardz and when you mentioned it you said you believe it works. That would indicate that you haven't used it for that purpose and don't know that it would work.

Also, this is the first time Gardz has been mentioned. The entire thread has been about regular primer. No one mentioned needing to use a special primer, just that they prime pre-primed trim.

I know that you posted Gardz because you wanted to prove my statement wrong that primer doesn't resolve the issue, but it doesn't. The context of my statement was in continuity of the thread and the use of priming pre-primed trim with standard primer. Which WILL NOT resolve the issue of chalky or failing paint.

And please answer the question, is that what you use? Never mind, I already know the answer.
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Priming won't resolve rough or fuzzy wood grain. I already addressed that any trim needs to be sanded and wiped down, even unfinished.

Finger joint trim is junk and has no place but on my jobs, no reason to save a $.50 a foot for crap that will look terrible after a few season cycles. Buy unfinished trim or real primed trim.

If the primer on your trim is powdery or you are able to wipe it off that means it has not adhered to the wood itself, unless you remove it or coat with peel stop, you are not doing anything by applying primer over it. Primer doesn't magically soak threw and adhere powdery or failing factory primer. It's obvious you don't understand what primer and paint are and how they work.

So no, don't prime pre-primed trim, buy decent primed trim or unfinished trim. It's a foolish unnecessary step that costs more money that if you just bought the nice stuff. Again, work smart, not hard.
I thought the sanding before and after priming went without saying, so I left it out. Yes, of course, sand the trim. In the case of the awful stuff I was thinking of when I wrote my first post, I sanded most of it off. Since it had all the durability of the chalk that was its primary ingredient, at least the sanding was very easy.

As for buying better trim in the first place, you make a good point, but as a practical matter, as a homeowner with a 9-5 job who has to take the seats out of the minivan if he wants to buy lumber, it's incredibly inconvenient for me to go anywhere besides the nearby Home Depot with its later hours, seven days a week. So I'm stuck with whatever they were able to chisel out of their suppliers for ten cents less.
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I thought the sanding before and after priming went without saying, so I left it out. Yes, of course, sand the trim. In the case of the awful stuff I was thinking of when I wrote my first post, I sanded most of it off. Since it had all the durability of the chalk that was its primary ingredient, at least the sanding was very easy.

As for buying better trim in the first place, you make a good point, but as a practical matter, as a homeowner with a 9-5 job who has to take the seats out of the minivan if he wants to buy lumber, it's incredibly inconvenient for me to go anywhere besides the nearby Home Depot with its later hours, seven days a week. So I'm stuck with whatever they were able to chisel out of their suppliers for ten cents less.
I don't think anything is without saying. Even if I were on CT I would list all steps. Assuming others have your knowledge or even what you think is common knowledge is not a good idea. Best to explain it like you wetter to someone who had never seen a hammer before.
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I don't think anything is without saying. Even if I were on CT I would list all steps. Assuming others have your knowledge or even what you think is common knowledge is not a good idea. Best to explain it like you wetter to someone who had never seen a hammer before.
Explain that ,Rickie.
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Explain that ,Rickie.
What my typo? You couldn't figure it out? wetter = were. Dang, I thought you guys were smarter than that around here.
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What my typo? You couldn't figure it out? wetter = were. Dang, I thought you guys were smarter than that around here.


Na, we're just a bunch of dumb painters.

So you have preference for Peel Stop on interior pre-primed trim?
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Na, we're just a bunch of dumb painters.

So you have preference for Peel Stop on interior pre-primed trim?
Well you obviously can't read...I never said I did. Go back and read the thread instead of jumping a head and trolling it. I outlined my process. It's simple and effective without having to priming it all again on the off chance that it might be defective.

What I said was standard primer won't magically seal in chalky or failing primer. The chemistry just isn't there. You would need to use a penetrating primer like PeelStop.

But to answer your question, I wouldn't have an issue using it on interior trim. It lays flat, seals the surface and has a matte finish. If you have ever used it you would know that it's interior exterior rated and would work just fine.
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And just because you get paid to paint doesn't mean that you know what you are talking about or can actually do the job. I will also add that just because someone claims to be something online also doesn't make it true.

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Great, thanks.

Just looking for a little wisdom from Chitown.

In your opinion, would Gardz be a bad choice for sealing semi-chalky interior woodwork?


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But to answer your question, I wouldn't have an issue using it on interior trim. It lays flat, seals the surface and has a matte finish. If you have ever used it you would know that it's interior exterior rated and would work just fine.
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Great, thanks.

Just looking for a little wisdom from Chitown.

In your opinion, would Gardz be a bad choice for sealing semi-chalky interior woodwork?


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[QUOTE=ChiTownPro;3237898]And just because you get paid to paint doesn't mean that you know what you are talking about or can actually do the job. I will also add that just because someone claims to be something online also doesn't make it true.

Here's my site if there are any doubts: xxxxxxxx[/QUOTE]

Take a look in the mirror buddy. No need to get hostel here, you made your point. Move on.
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QUOTE=ChiTownPro;3237898]And just because you get paid to paint doesn't mean that you know what you are talking about or can actually do the job. I will also add that just because someone claims to be something online also doesn't make it true.

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Take a look in the mirror buddy. No need to get hostel here, you made your point. Move on.[/QUOTE]

I have to look myself in the mirror every day, buddy. I am not getting hostel at all. If you go back and read the thread, I gave my opinion. I didn't point anyone out and certainly didn't quote any specific person. I just made my point. I was then confronted. Yep, I was the one that was confronted, so I responded. I am just reacting to those that feel the need to address me.

You were one of those that addressed me so I responded. You have yet to answer any of my questions. If you can't take it, then you are the one that needs to move on.

If people are going to promote themselves as experts, they should be ready to give answers to the reasons behind their methods. If they are going to promote a ridiculous procedure, such as priming pre primed trim every time, I am going to call them on it and ask questions and demand proof. Don't blame me if you and others cannot provide it or even answer a simple question.
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Everybody who answered the post (9 or so) primes ,pre primed trim. You, sir, are the only one who does not.
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