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Old 11-08-2018, 07:09 AM   #31
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Floetrol is actually not compatible with most new paints. Use XIM, BM or M1 extenders. 99% of the time you can use a paint out of the can without extender when used as intended. Adverse atmospheric or surface conditions sometimes require an extender to help paints perform correctly.


IMO if that paint looked OK in the can, and its usually pretty obvious if its bad, then I would suspect some kind of surface contamination.


lol The above poster hasn't yet realized that paints at Ace including valspar, royal, clark&kensington are all SW now. Race to the bottom lol.
You mean race to beat behr to the bottom, correct?
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:26 AM   #32
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Ok. You piqued my interest even more with the “race to the bottom.” I am most definitely not a paint connoisseur when it comes to the better/best paints on the market. I know this topic has been beaten to death by some. Everyone has an opinion. SW dealer is convenient and most associates can steer me in right direction; plus I get a decent discount. Just curious what the “bottom” means. I know many are BM fans, but their price would send my clients to HD. I tell my customers that I am an “applicator extraordinaire” not a pro. So when they have questions, I come right to this place.
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:35 AM   #33
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I dealt mostly with SWP because of store locations and hours [besides being a further drive the BM stores open later and close earlier than SWP] If you have an account with a paint store you'll generally get better pricing. How a coating applies or covers plays a big part! A more expensive paint suddenly becomes cheaper when it takes less coats to do the job. Like most paint manufactures, SWP's bottom line paints aren't fit to use IMO but I've gotten good results with their mid line and better.


I still think thatl pic looks like a deep tint base minus the tint - wrong paint picked off the shelf.
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:16 AM   #34
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Ok. You piqued my interest even more with the “race to the bottom.” I am most definitely not a paint connoisseur when it comes to the better/best paints on the market. I know this topic has been beaten to death by some. Everyone has an opinion. SW dealer is convenient and most associates can steer me in right direction; plus I get a decent discount. Just curious what the “bottom” means. I know many are BM fans, but their price would send my clients to HD. I tell my customers that I am an “applicator extraordinaire” not a pro. So when they have questions, I come right to this place.

Buddy they got you by the balls. I mean SW have a 'sale' going 29 out of 30 days, its pretty hard to find a day when they are not having a 'sale'. Is it really a discount when the products are marked up 200% just so they can say they are having a 'sale'? Most BM products are going to be similar priced if you actually compare prices and not your contractor 50% discount. Fun fact most of my sundry items are priced quite a bit lower than at SW too.


Race to the bottom: Spend all money on marketing and make your margins by using inferior grades of raw ingredients. BM makes a good product and its consistently good and a reasonable price. Why waste time with inferior products? You are currently experiencing that with valspar!
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I painted a bedroom for a customer who bought the paint for the job. She purchased Valspar satin paint and primer in one. I painted over previously painted surface in good shape. I'm pretty sure it was flat paint. Cutting in was fine, but rolling the walls was really bad. The paint looked like stucco. There were even places where there was dripping paint. It clearly did not cover as I expected. I fixed (improved) the really bad spots. I waited about an hour and re cut the room and rolled the walls again. The second coat was much better, but still not 100%. The family are non smokers. I've never experienced this in the many years I've been painting. I'd like to be able to tell these people why this happened. Any ideas? I'd post pictures, but they're on my phone and I'm on my computer. (I'm no techie!)
Maybe wrong but did a job in long Island New York, got the same results. After asking the client didn't know but when I asked the local paint store said two things could have happen moisture in the walls or oil paint that saturated the wall.
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Old 11-08-2018, 01:40 PM   #36
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They make you THINK you get a discount....
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Old 11-08-2018, 01:51 PM   #37
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Thanks for info. I will look into BM prices when I am in the area. No stores near me! Spot on with SW sales. As I mentioned, Duration works for me. I’ve never used their Cashmere or Emerald. Can’t believe they are significantly better. What is your go to BM interior brand? When I lived in upstate NY, I used BM frequently. Here in Charlotte, SW is like Starbucks... everywhere!
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Cashmere is great paint, but the sheens are way off. Low-lustre is shinier than semi-gloss and the pearl finish is a shiny satin. I really like the Emerald flat. Covers well and has that ever so subtle matte finish.
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Thanks for info. I will look into BM prices when I am in the area. No stores near me! Spot on with SW sales. As I mentioned, Duration works for me. I’ve never used their Cashmere or Emerald. Can’t believe they are significantly better. What is your go to BM interior brand? When I lived in upstate NY, I used BM frequently. Here in Charlotte, SW is like Starbucks... everywhere!

BM Regal interior and exterior is probably 70% of what I sell.
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Cashmere is great paint, but the sheens are way off. Low-lustre is shinier than semi-gloss and the pearl finish is a shiny satin.
I was warned about sheens at HD of all places...I'm painting with Cashmere Satin right now - under a point source light like a light bulb it looks almost like semi gloss under daylight it looks almost like eggshell...
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Something's wrong, either not shaken at the store (why would you need to "stir" it?), or the wrong base, or possibly there is some residue on the walls of some sort. There is no such thing as "Valspar" paint, as they make quite a few different paints. Their better paints are just fine. Don't listen to people who tell you your problems are due to Home Depot or Lowe's paint - thousands upon thousands of nice looking, long lasting paint jobs have been done using their paints - a few of them by me. And by the way, SW and BM sell some crappy paint along with their good paints too. I've had good success with all quality paints from SW, BM, Behr, Valspar, PPG, Duron, etc. And the occasional problem with each of them as well.


If you have a decent quality paint and it doesn't work, then something is wrong and it's not the paint brand per se.
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Thanks for info. I will look into BM prices when I am in the area. No stores near me! Spot on with SW sales. As I mentioned, Duration works for me. I’ve never used their Cashmere or Emerald. Can’t believe they are significantly better. What is your go to BM interior brand?

Emerald just seems overpriced to me. Cashmere is a little special due to its smooth finish, which is in fact its raison d'etre. If you are not a contractor or getting contractor discounts, you are going to have a hard time at SW or BM unless they have a big sale. Regal is a go-to paint from BM.
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Thank you Jeff nc for reply. Spell check won’t let me change your name. I rarely if ever have serious problems when I paint. Certainly nothing like my pictures depict. As for the paint’s inherent quality, I am not equipped to make judgements. I know if I like it when I’m using it. I bid my job on my labor plus cost of paint. I give customer basic idea of price and we go from there. I do get a percentage off at SW and I pass it on to customer. Painting is not my livelihood so I have no quotas to meet. Most people I encounter do not see paint quality as a deal breaker. If they want to pay more, I accommodate their wishes. I just love painting and the whole mystique that goes into this profession. Nice touch with the “raison d’etre.” I agree something was wrong with that job and I’m just glad it wasn’t me.
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So......what are some decent brands of paint?
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So......what are some decent brands of paint?
I like https://www.scottpaint.com/ Scott paint but its a Florida company 26 locations in fl. Beside great paint there attention to customer service is great.

For stain I always use Armstrong Clark- when it comes to applying stain in the middle of the day with high sun exposure this stain is superior (not recommending this but its a reality in FL). Also it works to penetrate into the lignin of the wood and bond well compared to most competitors (and latex) that just floats on the surface and evaporates. A must stain for southern pine

All though sherman williams has some great brands (and some crappy paints) the stores are hit and miss with customer service. IMO they tarnished there brand by providing a sherman willimas brand called showcase HGTV paint to lowes. https://www.lowes.com/pd/HGTV-HOME-b...-oz/1000404473


PPG also has good paint: https://www.ppgpittsburghpaints.com/...nterior-paints

Great prep, straining/mixing/mixing through out the use ( cant stress this step enough) and clean working habits will add to a positive paint job.
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