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Old 11-16-2019, 08:50 PM   #31
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I tried telling the painter that I dont think he used the right paint, and told me he did though. So I feel like he thinks I was being rude or something but I really am trying not to be. I just want it fixed. Paint should last years, and if it comes off this easily then I will have to pay to get it redone sooner than later which is unfair since I already paid alot.

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Nothing wrong with using standard latex paints for trim, he just didn't do the proper prep to use them. Pull up the data sheet for him, says it right there.



"SURFACE PREPARATION: All surfaces must be cured, clean, dry, and free from dirt, dust, rust, stains, grease, oil, mildew, wax, efflorescence, bond-breakers, and other contaminants. Remove all loose, peeling, or chalky paint by sanding, scraping, or other appropriate methods. Repair all cracks, holes, and other surface imperfections with a suitable patching material. Repaired surfaces should then be sanded smooth and dusted clean. Glossy surfaces should be dulled to provide a roughened surface for good adhesion."


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Old 11-17-2019, 08:29 PM   #32
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Are you the original owner of this home?
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Old 11-18-2019, 10:44 PM   #34
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Do any of you know what kind of primer to use on particle board cabinets for painting? And do I sand first? I need to redo the bottom of my cabinets because the paint is coming off. Thanks

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Old 11-18-2019, 11:38 PM   #35
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Okay, so the painters company has "LLC" after his companies name. Partly my fault for not seeing if he is actually licensed, but he is not. But doesnt LLC make people think he is licensed? Or what does that exactly mean?

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Old 11-19-2019, 12:06 AM   #36
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Okay, so the painters company has "LLC" after his companies name. Partly my fault for not seeing if he is actually licensed, but he is not. But doesnt LLC make people think he is licensed? Or what does that exactly mean?

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An LLC is a limited liability company. Theoretically that means if you sue him, you can only go after his company's assets. You can't take his personal assets. But there are a bunch of rules and exceptions. Realistically, if the guy doesn't even have a license, I wouldn't be surprised if the LLC is completely fake. Unfortunately, there's not much to prevent somebody from printing up business cards with a bogus license number and fake LLC. It'll fool pretty much everybody and make any hack instantly look credible. I see it all the time. They usually don't even have the right number of digits in their bogus license number. But they get away with it.

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An LLC is a limited liability company. Theoretically that means if you sue him, you can only go after his company's assets. You can't take his personal assets. But there are a bunch of rules and exceptions. Realistically, if the guy doesn't even have a license, I wouldn't be surprised if the LLC is completely fake. Unfortunately, there's not much to prevent somebody from printing up business cards with a bogus license number and fake LLC. It'll fool pretty much everybody and make any hack instantly look credible. I see it all the time. They usually don't even have the right number of digits in their bogus license number. But they get away with it.

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Okay, I see. My husband and I just got this house 2 years ago and it's our very first home. I am still learning all of this. I wish I knew to actually make sure he was licensed. I feel like he took advantage of us.

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Old 11-19-2019, 06:05 AM   #38
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For future reference, I'd look everyone you have coming to your house for work up on the web. There's really no excuse for a businesses to have nothing about their business online anymore - even if they don't have a website, there should be Yelp comments, BBB note, or a mention of their company somewhere.

I'm at the point where if they've got no web presence I don't do business with them. IDK if any of them listen to me, but I let them know straight up why they're losing the job.
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Do any of you know what kind of primer to use on particle board cabinets for painting? And do I sand first? I need to redo the bottom of my cabinets because the paint is coming off. Thanks

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Yes, sand first. Oil-based primer especially if it's particle board. A latex primer will allow tannins from the PB to wick through the primer into the topcoats. I'd use CoverStain from Zinsser.
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Yes, sand first. Oil-based primer especially if it's particle board. A latex primer will allow tannins from the PB to wick through the primer into the topcoats. I'd use CoverStain from Zinsser.
zinsser bullseye 123 water based data sheet says it seals tannins.
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There are several latex primers that claim they seal tannins and water stains - I wouldn't trust any of them to do so long term.
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I've never heard of tannins coming through on particle board either though, and by 'particle board,' Im assuming the OP means MDF. I wouldnt worry one about about staining.

However, it is a good idea to use something solvent based on MDF, because water can make the fibers swell, and can make it difficult to get a nice smooth surface. I have used waterborne primers on MDF plenty without issue though.
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zinsser bullseye 123 water based data sheet says it seals tannins.
My experience is that no water-based primer seals out tannins. If one exists, I would love to know about it. Any time I've gambled on the latex primer claims like that, I get burned and then have to re-prime with oil. By particleboard I was assuming the BROWN colored pressed cardboard type material not MDF. Sorry for any confusion.
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:08 AM   #44
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i just primed with bullseye 123 on some bare wood exterior siding, and two topcoats of gray paint.

how long does it take for tannins to bleed through?
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What type of siding? Cedar and redwood are very prone to have tannin bleed while pine and some others are not.
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