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Old 04-30-2016, 10:38 PM   #16
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Re: Gaps in cedar porch column - caulk or filler?


Never said it was, just correcting misinformation.

It's also bunk that you need enough space for backer rod. Never seen it, never done it, no need for it.

Personally I think all of these issues can only lead to one conclusion, it needs to be torn out and done correctly.
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I appreciate all the replies. I know they should have primed the end-grain but it was a moot point since the main column wasn't primed at the end grain so just doing the base wouldn't fully solve the wicking issue.

I had my painter caulk the gaps with "Tower Selants - Modified Siliconized Acrylic caulk" which has a 50-warranty. It's supposed to be really good stuff but I noticed 2 days after he applied it, some of the gaps came back (see pics).

Should I scrape the loose caulk in the gaps and re-caulk the areas that still have a gap? Is this because we didn't get enough caulk in the void? Maybe not enough caulk was pushed into the void?
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Here are the other 3 angles so you can see the entire job. It looks like the caulk shrank a little bit, I just want to get to a point where I can paint this thing. I've had the base re-done twice and really just wanna wrap this project up.

Does it just look like I need a little more caulk?
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Yeah, caulk it again. Caulk does shrink as it dries and it's kinda hard to get it back into a gap that small.

Moot point now, but priming the pieces of wood on all sides before instillation would have helped a lot. As it is now, just try to push as much caulk into the gap as possible and hope for the best. It'll probably crack again in the future no matter what you do to be honest. It's the nature of wood.


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Yeah, caulk it again. Caulk does shrink as it dries and it's kinda hard to get it back into a gap that small.

Moot point now, but priming the pieces of wood on all sides before instillation would have helped a lot. As it is now, just try to push as much caulk into the gap as possible and hope for the best. It'll probably crack again in the future no matter what you do to be honest. It's the nature of wood.


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Thanks! I'll caulk and then do my 2 costs of BM Fresh Start oil based followed by the BM Ben in white
one coat of primer is all that is needed
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one coat of primer is all that is needed
Except on interior pre-primed trim...then you need two.
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one coat of primer is all that is needed
1 coat of primer and 2 topcoats?
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Never said it was, just correcting misinformation.

It's also bunk that you need enough space for backer rod. Never seen it, never done it, no need for it.

Personally I think all of these issues can only lead to one conclusion, it needs to be torn out and done correctly.
It's not worth tearing out due to the expense of the cedar. After I fix the caulk and paint you will never know. The column is also covered by an eave and I will keep the paint up to date.
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It's like $12 for a 1x8x10. I would suggest redoing the columns just the base.
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ChiTownPro, stop reading here ... lol.


cjaustin81; added points on the caulking application, types, etc. for your house; http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fpl_gtr169.pdf

Page 35 on backer thickness; https://books.google.com/books?id=XH...0break&f=false

A little hard to read, 90% strain vs. 30% by depth of bead; http://www.buildingdiagnostics.com/a...s/sealant1.jpg

If you remove/replace the cedar, prime the sealant areas first for better bond;http://www.jlconline.com/projects/de...smart-design_o
Next time, leave a gap at the bottom for moisture venting, even if on one side only, as the link mentions, and prime the bottoms.

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I was planning on priming the post this weekend and I went to check the gaps and was disappointed to see the gaps getting bigger.

Are these gaps too wide to caulk? I know wood has some movement but this seems like an awful lot of movement.

Would you guys recommend having this base redone again? They didn't use glue in the miter joints, should they have? They didn't nail the miters together either, should they have done that?

I'm trying to figure out how to get this done to avoid these huge gaps, if anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it.
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Pull them off, clean them up, prime all sides, glue and nail them back in place.
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Pull them off, clean them up, prime all sides, glue and nail them back in place.
UPDATE:

After cleaning the tannin w deck cleaner, patching the holes, using tower tech 2 caulk, priming twice w BM cedar primer, and finally 2 top coats of BM Aura.. The post is done!

The reason the cedar was moving at the base was because it wasn't primed. I redid the base and primed everything before putting it together. Thanks for all the help.
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