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Old 10-09-2019, 07:20 AM   #16
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I got the Shingrix vacinne last year.

It is pretty expensive ( between $300-400 Canadian ) and the first shot gives you a sore arm for several days. Like a really painful punch in the shoulder. Second shot is not painful.

It is worth it IMO.
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Old 10-09-2019, 07:49 AM   #17
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Called our main pharmacy and they don't look to have the vaccine available until after January 1. Alternate pharmacy has it in house. Why the injections must be administered at a pharmacy I haven't a clue.
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I got the Shingrix vacinne last year.

It is pretty expensive ( between $300-400 Canadian ) and the first shot gives you a sore arm for several days. Like a really painful punch in the shoulder. Second shot is not painful.

It is worth it IMO.
This was pretty widely discussed on another forum, and that was the consensus there, too. I got my two shots last year, along with some minor arm pain. But I'd also gotten the Flu shot in that same arm, so that's sort of my fault.

If you know anyone who's ever had the shingles, ask them if it's worth trying to avoid it. You'll get an earful!

Reported side-effects from the shot (shingles or flu, for that matter) are minor and very rare. The benefits are huge, not only to the individual but for many vaccines, to society. There's a lot of misinformation and anecdotal "evidence" against vaccines out there, but the evidence-based research is clear.

Think about it. People get sick every day. Sometimes, it happens right after they got a shot. They blame the shot. Conspiracy theorists take their story as proof.
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You can get a walk in clinic or registered nurse or any doctor to administer it. It is a prescription drug but there are no special procedures for getting the shot. Just a normal shot.

It feels like a pretty sore arm but not enough to stop you from working or doing your regular activities.

Kinds like when you were a kid and someone bunched you hard in the arm or shoulder. A bit more sore than a regular shot but not that bad. Not a huge swelling just sore for 3-4 days.

Sleep on your other arm if necessary. Maybe take some Tylenol.

It is in great demand and they only had 2 local doses last year where I am so I got lucky, and it must be refrigerated and stored carefully.
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Trust me. Whatever minor discomfort the vaccine may cause is nothing compared to an active case of Shingles. I had that when I was about 20 and it was very painful.


I had the first vaccine and now am on the waiting list for the newer 2 dose version.
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Nik - Just what do you do when you go out?
My life? Okay. . . yesterday, I went to Walmart. Tons of bugs there. A local illegal auto mechanic/drug dealer that lived a few doors down, just got out of jail & needed a ride to his new house in the country.

Today, a migrant olive worker was sitting in the cold (50 here). The electricity may be turned off today to 600,000 due to risk of fire. Strong winds, low humidity & temp in 90's, later. Apparently, some ranches cancelled work. Even a lawn mower or dragging chain from a truck have caused fires, lately.

He had no jacket & was locked out & very cold in the cold wind. I stole a black velveteen robe from my cat & gave it to him. Tall, rangy guy with a robe on. Then an electric blanket without electric.

Ironically, there's a cooling station set up a few feet
away in case of power outage. It would be warmer than the outside but no one spoke Spanish including me. ( I tried to jokingly explain my helpfulness by saying I was a nun, monja, but I got it wrong & he
thought I was saying mentirosa, liar. Total confusion.) So that is three ways I contact people.
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There's a lot of misinformation and anecdotal "evidence" against vaccines out there, but the evidence-based research is clear.
Anecdotal evidence is valid when it's from a real experience. Just doesn't tell you what the risk is - could be 1 in 500 000.

It's not misinformation.

When research is done on vaccines and drugs, they don't have to release all the results, only those that make the product look good.

Research is rarely completely objective. Even the best studies don't have large enough sample sizes and aren't done over long enough periods to know for sure if the product is safe. Negative effects could show up many years later.

Just because the majority don't have adverse reactions doesn't mean it doesn't happen and there are no problems.
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Anecdotal evidence is valid when it's from a real experience. Just doesn't tell you what the risk is - could be 1 in 500 000.

It's not misinformation.

When research is done on vaccines and drugs, they don't have to release all the results, only those that make the product look good.

Research is rarely completely objective. Even the best studies don't have large enough sample sizes and aren't done over long enough periods to know for sure if the product is safe. Negative effects could show up many years later.

Just because the majority don't have adverse reactions doesn't mean it doesn't happen and there are no problems.
So, are you saying that when the research study results say 80 out of say 200, had muscle soreness, it's not true? I see lots of common side-effects as with any drug - nausea, vomiting, headache, etc. Some may be anxious people.
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No I'm not.

I'm saying that studies will not find all problems due to the limited sample size, period of study and bias. (ie vested interest in getting a vaccine or drug approved)

So I'm not going to blindly believe a vaccines can't trigger auto-immune problems, allergies, neurological problems just because the claims aren't "evidence based" - aka proven in studies funded by the companies that develop and produce vaccines. There may be studies funded by government, but we all know there's a revolving door between government and pharma companies, so they aren't any better.

At the same time, I'm not anti-vaccine. There are benefits are risks. Maybe it's smart to be cautious and not such a good idea to shove so many shots into infants with under-developed immune and nervous systems just cause the CDC says it's okay.

Maybe it's silly to get the flu shot year after year when there are risks and they come far from covering all the strains.

Anyone in a health related profession who questions the safety of vaccines and even deviates from the recommended schedule gets bashed and discredited, just like climatologist who question climate change theories have their careers destroyed.
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Nik, what a good samaritan you are. You should have good karma coming your way.

I read about the scheduled power outage in CA. Sounds like a mess but better than the alternative Im sure.

My grocery store gives $10 coupons with a flu shot so I go there.
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Nik, what a good samaritan you are. You should have good karma coming your way.

I read about the scheduled power outage in CA. Sounds like a mess but better than the alternative Im sure.

My grocery store gives $10 coupons with a flu shot so I go there.
I've wondered if it's an "in your face" by PG&E. There's a lawyer on tv every few minutes & the deadline for Fire lawsuits is Oct.21st.
Compassion, I think it's a sickness at times. But, I did remember to keep my distance like Dave says.
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Called our main pharmacy and they don't look to have the vaccine available until after January 1. Alternate pharmacy has it in house. Why the injections must be administered at a pharmacy I haven't a clue.

I believe it needs to be kept refrigerated and has a fairly short 'safe period' out of refrigeration. I suppose many doctors offices aren't set up for that or don't want to bother. I got my two shots at the health group clinic that our doctor is a member of. They store it onsite and have an injections nurse.
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I think the govt has gotten stricter about "dispensing." Only a pharmacist can do that. . . I think. Not my area, though.
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I ordered mine thru Wal Mart pharmacy and walked over to the health clinic which is in the same mall as Wal Mart.

However they did have to put it in a ice type bag so yeah you want to have someone to inject it close to where you buy it.

Shoppers Drug Mart in some of their stores have trained pharmacy staff who can inject you but you have to ask to make sure as not all do.
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After stating my name-rank-and sr. No. ( well kind of ) yesterday I received the Shingles vaccination. The nurse stated she would need to prepare it so I suppose it's some different than me vaccinating a calf for Blackleg.


And much more pleasant than the simulated Atropine shot I was required to give myself in the service. I swear that needle was 3" long and an 1/8" in diameter. Drop thy britches and stick that puppy in the top of thy Thigh.
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