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Old 03-25-2020, 12:45 PM   #46
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That's clearly what everyone is saying in here..."no worries".

Life is full of challenges, but to claim that this is any more than any generation before us has faced if bupkis.


But don't let pesky things like facts get in the way of vomiting out idiocy.
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Anyone know weather freezing the virus preserves or it kills it?
For example I just picked up meat from a local butcher today; all pre-packaged and ready to put in the freezer. So if the virus was on the packing will it be there when thawed?

It shouldn't matter since you will cook it!


Meat should always be treated as potentially contaminated. The packaging, too. This is because of E. Coli & Salmonella, etc.


I saw meat packages of corned beef, last week. The big bloody clear packages had been artistically arranged with fresh carrots and cabbages!!! The meat companies don't guarantee that their packaging is very clean. . . There's a law that raw & fresh have to be kept apart.


I would bet that Science doesn't really know about the effect of freezing on this coronavirus, yet. They don't have the numbers straight, yet.


You could carefully package it up with clean hands & mark it Season of Corona.
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That's clearly what everyone is saying in here..."no worries".

Life is full of challenges, but to claim that this is any more than any generation before us has faced if bupkis.


But don't let pesky things like facts get in the way of vomiting out idiocy.

My dad was quarantined with Smallpox at 5. He had to look at his mom thru a small square of glass. My grandfather, his daughter & baby grandchild died of the Spanish flu. My mom's best friend had diphtheria. I was in the Congo when Ebola broke out downriver.


I had gastric fluid from an AIDS patient splashed in my eye. I had to take the AIDS cocktail. An old blind woman with Tertiary Syphilis spit in my face because she thought someone was sitting on her skirt. I've had two patients with the equivalent of Mad Cow Disease.


I have none of the thousands of contagious sdisease I cared for.


( Well, the Mad Cow Disease may be questionable.)
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Just found this on the CDC web site;

"In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from food products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient, refrigerated, or frozen temperatures."


The reason I was curious; don't bio-labs freeze viruses for storage, and for use at later dates?

"Support for Pausing Your Research


Freezing and Storage Media

If you are preparing to pause your research, choose reliable freezing and storage media to cryopreserve your cells and save on time and resources when you return to the lab.

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07940, 07959, 07931, 07930, 07952

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05855, 05854


. . ." stemcell.com


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( Well, the Mad Cow Disease may be questionable.)

None of the other parts were at all laughable...but I know you are making a joke here.
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People do get creative in a crisis. In Spain they turned an ice rink into a morgue, but no worries.
https://www.democracynow.org/2020/3/...edc0-191758037

Back in the day it might have been called creativity, now it's called emergency preparedness. We did that for a plane crash in the early '70s. Pretty hard to find a town in Canada without either a hockey arena or curling club, or both.
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It shouldn't matter since you will cook it!
We rarely cook the packaging mat'l.
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Frankly the government response - shutting down and ruining the economy and taking away civil liberties - is infinitely worse and will harm far more people than the virus.

Economic depressions literally kill people - in many different ways.

Usually when a regime becomes more authoritarian, people fail to recognize it especially when there's a common threat.

This crap is happening on a global level. I'm concerned.

I would n't go for vaccine that's been rushed out, but with the erosion of civil liberties, a vaccine when could become mandatory as soon as it comes out!

As is, anyone defying an order to isolate, close up a business can be fined or jailed in the name of safety. There's talk about tracking people electronically (cell phones, cameras, etc) to ensure compliance!

There's talk about setting up hotlines so citizens can behave like informants -> sounds like something from the communist playbook!

("On Sunday, Hajdu said the government was looking at all the measures in their tool box, including criminal penalties.

She has also suggested a "hotline" might be established to allow concerned Canadians to report cases of noncompliance." (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/man...ajdu-1.5509508) )

Government public health experts - they always think they're right and know best for everyone.

Isolation may not even be the way to go anyway; could be better to allow healthy people to be exposed to produce herd immunity so seniors and those with pre-existing health conditions can be protected.
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Just found this on the CDC web site;

"In general, because of poor survivability of these coronaviruses on surfaces, there is likely very low risk of spread from food products or packaging that are shipped over a period of days or weeks at ambient, refrigerated, or frozen temperatures."


The reason I was curious; don't bio-labs freeze viruses for storage, and for use at later dates?

Viruses, bacterial cultures, etc. are stored with cryoprotectant (e.g., glycerol) at -80 °C. Even then, there is still some loss in viability.

Viruses that are cell-associated and with a cryoprotectant survive better.

Viruses that are just on the surface are most likely not going to survive.
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The virus was found alive on that Princess ship 17 days after the last passenger left the room.


So keep that in mind.
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Frankly the government response - shutting down and ruining the economy and taking away civil liberties - is infinitely worse and will harm far more people than the virus.

Economic depressions literally kill people - in many different ways.

Usually when a regime becomes more authoritarian, people fail to recognize it especially when there's a common threat.

This crap is happening on a global level. I'm concerned.

I would n't go for vaccine that's been rushed out, but with the erosion of civil liberties, a vaccine when could become mandatory as soon as it comes out!

As is, anyone defying an order to isolate, close up a business can be fined or jailed in the name of safety. There's talk about tracking people electronically (cell phones, cameras, etc) to ensure compliance!

There's talk about setting up hotlines so citizens can behave like informants -> sounds like something from the communist playbook!

("On Sunday, Hajdu said the government was looking at all the measures in their tool box, including criminal penalties.

She has also suggested a "hotline" might be established to allow concerned Canadians to report cases of noncompliance." (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/man...ajdu-1.5509508) )

Government public health experts - they always think they're right and know best for everyone.

Isolation may not even be the way to go anyway; could be better to allow healthy people to be exposed to produce herd immunity so seniors and those with pre-existing health conditions can be protected.

Love this post. All scary stuff and this is lost on nearly everyone that is screaming about safety. They have ZERO concept of what the South Koreans and Chinese did to tamp this down and they are willing to trade EVERYTHING away for the guise of safety.

Thank you for putting this so well.





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The virus was found alive on that Princess ship 17 days after the last passenger left the room.

So keep that in mind.

This is not true. Just the news being alarmist as usual. They found markers of the virus. The ability to survive and for how long is as previously indicated in other sections.
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