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Old 01-08-2019, 08:04 PM   #16
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So you have to buy several pairs of pants if you work day to day in the trade just to have a place to put your pouches?? Nyet. I'll stick to my full belt and suspender rig. I can't imagine the pull all the pouches, etc have on the pants. Makes my hips hurt thinking about it.
I agree with you. There is a time and place when a belt with rig is the right tool for the job. But remember that I started that thread with "a alternative for a belt".
I'm not saying this will replace my belt 100%, but I can say for sure that it will replace my belt ~60% of the time.
As for the pants. Well, I can see where you are coming from. If you are buying the pants solely because of the functionality with the pouches and only wear them when you have to use the pouches I have to agree with you, that doesn't make sense.
I also agree with you that if you would load the pouches with the same tools that you load your entire belt with that wouldn't make sense either / probably be very uncomfortable. What I do like about this system is that I don't have to do exactly that anymore. I can reduce the tools I carry around to exactly the tools that I need at that point in time and nothing more.
I've had the Carhart, Blaklader, Caterpillar you name it. Since I have to wear pants anyways, I have found my new favorite pair at a lesser cost than the previously mentioned brands with much more functionality build-in. Just the fact that I can attach knee pads to the pants without having to use straps is worth it to me. That alone is enough reason for me that I'll be replacing my pants with their pants over time.
Anyways, I am coming across defensive and that is not my intent. A tool belt with rig has a place and use case and there will be times when I'll be still using mine.
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Hey thanks again for the update, and also for your service. I served 7 yrs USN back in the 80's.
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I think if I were to use their pouches, I would want a Velcro utility belt. I don’t carry enough weight to need straps anymore, but needing their pants to utilize the pouches is a downer for me as well.
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I think if I were to use their pouches, I would want a Velcro utility belt.
I sent an email with your suggestion to Andy and he says thank you. That's the kind of feedback he is looking for and they are giving this a very strong consideration.

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I don’t carry enough weight to need straps anymore, but needing their pants to utilize the pouches is a downer for me as well.
Mind you the pouches can be used with any belt or any pants and the way I am looking at this now is that I like their pants even without their pouches and their pouches without the pants. They are independently useful / well thought out that you can use one without the other, but if you combine them it gets even better.
For example, one big grief for me with the Caterpillar pants was, that the fastener pouches are attached with push buttons, which always fell off as soon as you grabbed into them to get a screw. Or on most other carpenter pants the fastener pouches are permanently attached.
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Mind you the pouches can be used with any belt

Yes, I assumed so. The same way I use similar pouches now by just threading the belt through the pouch loops. But it does take away the whole advantage of the velcro quick change.
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So, I've been using this for a while now, so I figured I post an update.

The good:
Now that I have been using this for a while I have to say once you adjust your behavior and find your own system, it works really well. It took me a couple days to figure out how to organize my tools, but now that everything has found its home, I really like the whole concept. Knowing what work the next day brings, I organize my tools and everything else I need for the next day the evening before. I keep the toolbag close by at site, with everything attached that I need throughout the day for quick exchange.

The not so good:
It does take some time finding “a system”. In the beginning I found myself reaching for the bag a few times to exchange pouches. But within a week or two I realized that the times I exchange pouches is less each day, because I got better at organizing everything. But now that I am "forced" to really think about how I organize all my stuff, I am way more efficient throughout the day. I really only take with me what I need.

Now doing some math…
In the past I just dragged “everything” around with me, which had two consequences
1.I just carried stuff that I didn’t need that day
2.I spent some amount of time searching for things. Let’s say I wasted 10 to 15 min a day looking for stuff (A minute here, a minute there… it adds up quickly if you are honest with yourself)

Now I spend 10min or less in the evening organizing my things based on what is coming the next day. I go through my day carrying less and I find everything I need much quicker. Now, one can make the argument that has nothing to do with the pouches and the system and is nothing but a direct consequence of my change in behavior, which is very true, but for me this system is what made me adjust my behavior in a for me positive resulting way.

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Yes, I assumed so. The same way I use similar pouches now by just threading the belt through the pouch loops. But it does take away the whole advantage of the velcro quick change.
I am still using my belt from time to time (like when I’m working overhead a lot), but I have removed all the pouches that came with my belt and are now using the KALTgear tool pouches.

The one big difference between the pouches that came with the belt and the KALTgear pouches is that I don't have to loop them through the belt. They come off without taking the rig itself off. They have a flab in the back that allows you to just slide the pouch over the belt without the need to open the belt itself. Yeah, it's not as fast as if it was velcro, but you are still able to exchange a tool / fastener pouch in less than 10 seconds.
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Thanks for the update. I once looked into small leather removable pocket liners, but never really found anything on the market. My thinking being that if I had a leather pocket in my pouch, when it came time to change fasteners I could just pull the inner pocket out along with all the fasteners. Dump it out and refill with what ever was next.
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I use the exact pouch and the belt in the image. Separate hammer holder. Belt is one of those weaved webbing with easy clip in the front. Also use suspenders. None of these hang on my pants. I have electricians pouch also which is seldom used but handy when lots of small tools are needed, hanging doors, cutting the hinge, locks, etc. If I need more nails/screws, I use additional canvas nail pouch. I think your tool pouch will not always stay in the pocket, and noway I'd buy those pants. I never really needed many pouch changes but you could get a belt for each pouch.
If you're crawling in attic or such, you should be carrying a tool bag. There's nothing you can attach to your clothes or wear. 2' long cheap duffle is handy and won't fall through the joist bays.
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FYI, for those of you who care, they have pants and knee pads back in stock
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Indoors I use a fabric tool bag (plumber's bag as they were popularly called) with inner and outer pouches and then have small tool pouch that clips onto my belt to hold small tools and fasteners.

What would be best would be something that I could slip over the top of a ladder to hold parts and tools but I have not found anything that I like. Maybe time to get my in-house seamstress to make one.

When changing out a bath fan or a ceiling light fixture or outdoor wall fixture I find myself juggling items that I do not want to drop and damage and the devices designed for use on ladders do not really provide what I need in these situations.

A second problem with the off the shelf devices is that they tend to be specific to not only a particular brand of ladder but to only one or two models of that company's ladders. I have 5 ladders I use depending upon where I am going and not about to buy and store 5 different tool and parts caddies.
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