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Old 11-28-2007, 09:27 AM   #76
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was browsing through this thread and began wondering about basement finishing permits. What permits if any are required for work in the basement? I know it varies by locality but in general, does basement work (plumbing, electric, fraking) require permits since it is not liveable space?
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:41 AM   #77
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In Toronto, you need two permits, one for general, one for electrical.

the general are those for mechanical, insulation, plumbing, framing...etc.etc.

I got my Tax assessment, my property value increase by 20,000 ... this seems reasonable to me.... even without the basement, the property value would have been gone up here in Toronto...


so base on that, the actual tax increase should be around $100 bucks per year... this seem to me a fair amount...

I will wait for my bill to see the actual increase which should arrive soon....
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If you are finishing your basement, you are making it into "livable space" so it requires a permit. Most people do not get one, but it is still required....
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Old 02-18-2008, 09:41 PM   #79
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here in denver to convert to legal space

1. construction permit
2. electrical permit
3.hvac permit
4.plumbing permit

also for legal bedroom egress window is required and if there plans for clsoets in any room that will be considered a bedroom and needs an egress.
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Anyone dealt with MDIA (middle development inspection agency) for electrical permits? Thoughts? Recommendations?
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Old 02-28-2008, 09:25 AM   #81
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Pretty much all U.S. areas: You WILL need a building permit. Contact your local inspectional offices. More and more towns/cities are going online with their own sites for permits and requirement information and forms.
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:33 PM   #82
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this is what gets me...

1) do you think all those people asking the electrical guy at home depot a question about some switch are next going to get a permit?

2) i bet 99% of all homes out there have at least at some time in its history had work that required a permit but DIY'er didn't bother. i.e. in my area, even to add a light fixture requires a permit!

3) when was the last time someone bought a home and you asked "did you get a permit for ... "

ok, perhaps item #3 does happen on occasion.. but in that situation, i would not be surprised if the seller said in response to that question "i am no longer interested in selling the house to you".

any DIY'er should be well aware of the code for the project they are working on. this is to make sure it is safe for you and others. so this is worth your time/effort.

the permit is too expensive and this is wrong. if the city were really concerned about the safety then they should make permits costs reasonable. also, in most cases your taxes go up, so they will make the money back on your renovation anyway, so the permit fee and inspection should be free!

it is NOT reasonable to have a $100 materials project cost way more beacuse of need for a permit. this city process is broken in my opinion.

having said all that... i like to get permits because some jobs are scary. i want the reassurance that my plan is safe. for example, digging out a basement... or constructing a roof on a garage.

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3) when was the last time someone bought a home and you asked "did you get a permit for ... "

ok, perhaps item #3 does happen on occasion.. but in that situation, i would not be surprised if the seller said in response to that question "i am no longer interested in selling the house to you".
In many places, to sell your home you have to get a Certificate of Occupancy before anyone can buy it. To get this you go through an inspection, much like a regular home inspection, except its someone from the city doing the inspecting. if he sees improvements that were made since the last time the home was inspected, or things that simply look new, they check against permit records. if you did not get a permit, you have to get one, even if the work was done 5 years ago, you can't sell your home until the permit and inspection process is complete, and you are subject to fines.

bottom line, if your project is straightforward, or complex, get in the habit of checking your local codes. failing to get an expensive permit can cost you much more in the long run
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"MY" problem with permits and such is ---in a rental situation,non owner occupied house-you are required to qualify as a contractor. THAT includes having a half or million dollar insurance policy that I am 'told' doesnt help you one iota if something you do goes haywire and a tenant gets hurt. As I understand it,it only covers somebody NOT suing the city for your neglegence. As I understand it it is VERY expensive and for a diy only occasional little project that requires a permit, like every other year or so gets REAL expensive as you cant take it out and drop it as projects go,,,you HAVE to keep it in force year after year!! Is anyone else familiar with this insurance portion,,,and do I have the correct info?? Thanks,,,interesting reading here-I agree with the 'concept' of public protection,also agree fees should be reasonable. Does evryone have this insurance reqirements in THEIR towns and cities???

Additional question,,,do permits expire?? Like a diy project that gets sidetracked and cant be completed till months or years later cause of lack of funds,,,OR illness etc??
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Okay IF anyone has a clue,,,my daughter lives 100 miles away in city of Omaha Nebr. they have an old rotten deck on back of their house that is in need of replacing. Does 'replacing' a existing deck require a permit?? This deck is basicly ground level, No steps(Or railings) except for stepping OFF the deck onto the ground!!(thinking that is around 8" step down,,,easy at least) IF they call city I am sure that would trigger the alarms and descend the wrath of G-d on their head,,,just from caller id etc. As to taxes increasing,,,IF they are paying taxes on a rotten deck,wouldnt the taxes be same with a new deck??(I dont think tax assesors care wether a new or rotten deck for assessing purposes) usually when you get a permit for this as an example,,,your spending 2K for a new deck they think your value should be 2K more,,,I dont get it.(where did the current value of the existing deck go???) Thanks for ANY knowledge of decks go in Omaha. I think we will end up doing it as a family project!!(hopefully)
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I can't comment for the area. But, as a general rule you are supposed to pull a permit for any such deck demolition and new construction. People have been seriously injured, or even died, from deck collapses (decks not being built, or "re-built"....properly).
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Old 03-30-2008, 08:02 PM   #87
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Also avoid any contractors who try to get you to allow them to work without permits. If they are cutting corners in that important area, what else will they do by cutting corners?
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fully agreed with last poster.

if you are getting a contractor to do the work then you are paying through the nose anyway.. so might as well spring a couple of hundred more for the permits. this is your main legal recourse should your contractor screw the job up badly.

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It is never good advice to tell someone, "don't bother with permits". It is possible to never have any problems but you always run the risk of a big headache down the road.
There are a couple of things governments could do to encourage permits.
one is to have the costs of the permits in line with the scope of the project. If you have someone doing a 100 dollar repair, it is not surprising at all that they will choose to not double or triple the cost of the repair with a permit. They'll just skip it.
The other thing is that they really need better training for the code officials. In my town the building inspector and his secretary are, well, shall we say, not the brightest.

Example: I have rentals as part of my business and I had a new commercial tenant moving in once. Well, in my town the electric utility is city owned. When there is a change of service, they send out the bldg inspector and the fire inspector to check for "safety" before transferring utilities.
The buildings zoning allowed the use I was renting it out for. I knew this for 100% fact. They show up to do their safety inspection, he tells me they can't move in until they apply for a zoning permit. After discussing with him that the zoning allows the use etc...he won't budge. so, ok I go down and fill out the zoning permit and pay my 50 buck fee (what he was really after the whole time) he says he needs a floorplan showing the space to be rented. I go back, make a drawing, submit it saying if there is anything else he needs let me know. 2 weeks go by...I hear nothing. I assume he must have no more questions and I go down to pick up my cert.. (2 weeks here is a long wait). It's not done. He wants more info. He never told me he wants more info. I guess I'm supposed to be a mindreader. I have tenants sitting around waiting to move in and this could have been done a week ago but he didn't care enough about the realities of the businesspeople he is dealing with to bother to contact me.
His secretary tells me he wants the desks drawn on the plan where people are going to sit. I just looked at her for a few seconds...I make her get the guy on the radio and ask what he wants? surely he can't want to know exactely where everyone is going to sit within one large room. How am I supposed to control that? What difference does it make, either the room is ok for use or not. They might walk all over the room at any given time. But that's what he wants..I just shook my head, left.....made a drawing with some desks on it and then he passed it. No justification for why he wanted it. He just makes it up as he goes quite often. I could have refused..and fought more because I know he is wrong but that wouldnt have served my tenant. too often its just a power play with inspectors. Not all are this way...but I've run into this guy waaay too often.

Thats just one example of permits gone wrong..I could keep going if I wanted or had time.
Permits do serve a function and it is not a good idea to give out advice to "skip them", but cities would have a much higher compliance rate if they did some things to make the experience smoother for people. I have to deal with them, so I do. But it is hard to blame the average Homeowner for not wanting to fool with them for the occasional project.
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.....he says he needs a floorplan showing the space to be rented. I go back, make a drawing, submit it saying if there is anything else he needs let me know. .....His secretary tells me he wants the desks drawn on the plan where people are going to sit. I just looked at her for a few seconds...I make her get the guy on the radio and ask what he wants? surely he can't want to know exactely where everyone is going to sit within one large room. How am I supposed to control that? What difference does it make, either the room is ok for use or not. They might walk all over the room at any given time. But that's what he wants..I just shook my head, left.....made a drawing with some desks on it and then he passed it. No justification for why he wanted it. He just makes it up as he goes quite often.....
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The Building Inspectional Dept. is part of PUBLIC SAFETY. They have an assigned responsibility and obligation to protect the public. When they don't, bad things can happen. When bad things happen (and they do), the public goes after them.

You were asked these questions regarding the area's layout, because of "Means of Egress". Escape routes, in the event of an emergency.

Fire, building collapse, mad gun-man, bomb, etc...

He wanted to make sure that the area would not become an escape route death trap. It has happened (People bunched up in desk filled offices, exits blocked by filing cabinets, etc).

In areas where certain fatal accidents have occurred, prudence dictates that the local gvt. start initiating greater measures to ensure that people are safe. (or get out safe).
Example: Station Fire.

Some things to think about, and understand....
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