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Old 01-20-2015, 12:19 PM   #16
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Or not.
Or he did. There is two types of asbestos. Friable, and non friable.

Non Friable is longer type strands of Asbestos, think siding, pipes/pipe insulation, roofing materials.

Friable is the smaller particles or can be made in to dust brake pads, some insulations various other materials.

Testing should be done on any material being removed to help inform you of the proper safety protections.

Back in the day they seemed to use asbestos in everything, because it was a very good material to use. It was fine until people started showing symptoms of exposure 20-30-50+ years later. Then all of a sudden it was the most evil material in the world and it had to be stopped.

If they knew what they know now and had protected the workers from exposure I think it would still be in use.

It is very unlikely that a little exposure will do any damage to you or your body. It was the constant being around the dust in the factories and such is where the problems and health issues started.


Here's a link for your friable/nonfriable pleasure.


http://www.asbestos-abatement.com/fr...-asbestos.html
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Or he did. There is two types of asbestos. Friable, and non friable.

Non Friable is longer type strands of Asbestos, think siding, pipes/pipe insulation, roofing materials.

Friable is the smaller particles or can be made in to dust brake pads, some insulations various other materials.

Testing should be done on any material being removed to help inform you of the proper safety protections.

Back in the day they seemed to use asbestos in everything, because it was a very good material to use. It was fine until people started showing symptoms of exposure 20-30-50+ years later. Then all of a sudden it was the most evil material in the world and it had to be stopped.

If they knew what they know now and had protected the workers from exposure I think it would still be in use.

It is very unlikely that a little exposure will do any damage to you or your body. It was the constant being around the dust in the factories and such is where the problems and health issues started.


Here's a link for your friable/nonfriable pleasure.


http://www.asbestos-abatement.com/fr...-asbestos.html
Unfortunately you are preaching to the choir here. My dad died from mesothelioma 5 years ago and there is very little I don't know about the stuff. His exposure started in grade school (early 40's)and went well into the 70's.
I did over 10 years of research and reading on it to fully understand the causes and effect from the exposure. As for the industry, the reason for so many of the lawsuits and the huge escrow fund set up for the payouts is it was determines as far back as the 20's and 30's what the dangers were. The escrow fund is in the billions and this is why every law firm in the country is putting adds on TV. They all want their big piece from this pie.

In the 50's and 60's there was a push to ban it from use but the big companies fought it as it was a great material to use.

The reason for my "or not" comment was, just because somebody walks by and does something "stupid" does not make them an expert.

As for friable vs non friable. It has nothing to do with fiber length, etc. It has to do with the substrate that is carrying it. Friable ACM is any material that contains more than 1% fibers and can be crushed by hand pressure. (think old ceiling tiles)Non Friable ACM is any material containing more than 1% fibers and can not be crushed with hand pressure. (think cement/asbestos siding)

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Old 01-20-2015, 04:32 PM   #18
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Unfortunately you are preaching to the choir here. My dad died from mesothelioma 5 years ago and there is very little I don't know about the stuff. His exposure started in grade school (early 40's)and went well into the 70's.
I did over 10 years of research and reading on it to fully understand the causes and effect from the exposure. As for the industry, the reason for so many of the lawsuits and the huge escrow fund set up for the payouts is it was determines as far back as the 20's and 30's what the dangers were. The escrow fund is in the billions and this is why every law firm in the country is putting adds on TV. They all want their big piece from this pie.

In the 50's and 60's there was a push to ban it from use but the big companies fought it as it was a great material to use.

The reason for my "or not" comment was, just because somebody walks by and does something "stupid" does not make them an expert.

As for friable vs non friable. It has nothing to do with fiber length, etc. It has to do with the substrate that is carrying it. Friable ACM is any material that contains more than 1% fibers and can be crushed by hand pressure. (think old ceiling tiles)Non Friable ACM is any material containing more than 1% fibers and can not be crushed with hand pressure. (think cement/asbestos siding)
Sorry for the loss of your father, A neighbor of mine recently lost her father to the same thing. He was pretty healthy up to the last couple of years.

I would agree what the guy did by breaking the siding and offering a comment was stupid. Breaking it created dust, and making what was non friable, now friable. While not a lost of risk in that instance, the person tearing off said siding would have a higher risk of exposure and such.

In my experience dealing with it, it is always longer courser fibers of asbestos. Shingles, limited siding, and felts/flashing and coatings on low slope roofs. While we do not do much asbestos abatement any more (we hire it out) the only precautions we had to take was to double bag it, tag it and dump it in the landfill at a separate area on a certain day.
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