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Old 12-30-2010, 03:13 PM   #16
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This is nowhere near as complex as some of the posts suggest. A contractor is free to estimate a job anyway they choose, and they are free to charge using any formula they want to Hows they pay their taxes is totally irrelevant, unless you are the IRS. As the customer, you are entitled to ask for a full, complete and satisfactory BID prior to signing the contract. Whatever terms are in the contract are subject to negotiation. Once you accept the bid, whether verbally or in writing, you are both bound by the terms and conditions of the contract.

If the terms include mileage, that is neither illegal, immoral or fattening. Ditto for travel time, ditto for time on site, ditto for parts. If the contractor fails to live up to his agreement, then you have a case. The only issue I see here is whether the contractor failed to meet ordinary standards of care in diagnosing and correcting the problem. If the terms in his contract state that you will only be charged for correct diagnosis, then there is no reason to pay for the original misdiagnosis. If the terms say you pay regardless of whether he correctly diagnosed the problem, you owe the whole nut.
^This pretty much sums it up.

The problem here is that you did not have a contract with the guy. Hell, you didn't even have a verbal agreement because you didn't get his pricing ahead of time.

The only thing you can do is try to talk him down on the bill and failing that, don't use him again.
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That's basically what I've done. He said the thought he treated me fairly, I put forward my case of why I disagreed and said what I thought was fair and if he did not think I was being unreasonable, to please forward a revised invoice.

I think it would be rather unwise on his part not to meet me on this. I did buy the generator and panel from him, and he will be losing out on another decade or so of yearly maintenance and service.
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:51 PM   #18
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Yes, indeed. Always. Usually with a retainer to boot. They follow strict ethical guidelines, and bill me for hours worked, nothing more.
You hire a lawyer without knowing their hourly charge ?
And without knowing any other charges they may have ?
Really ??
You hired someone without knowing what he would charge......then get upset



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Old 12-30-2010, 04:00 PM   #19
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Yes, indeed. Always. Usually with a retainer to boot. They follow strict ethical guidelines, and bill me for hours worked, nothing more.
man have I got some stories for you. It's great you have not had problems with your attorney, the fact is, many do. Just the same as with generator repair people.

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I think it would be rather unwise on his part not to meet me on this. I did buy the generator and panel from him, and he will be losing out on another decade or so of yearly maintenance and service.
unwise? Maybe but that is his choice. Your choice is, of course, seek service elsewhere.

what were the actual charges for this? Obviously mileage was $17.64. What was the remainder of the breakdown of the bill? I am trying to find how you could end up with a $350 bill.
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This is nowhere near as complex as some of the posts suggest. A contractor is free to estimate a job anyway they choose, and they are free to charge using any formula they want to Hows they pay their taxes is totally irrelevant, unless you are the IRS. As the customer, you are entitled to ask for a full, complete and satisfactory BID prior to signing the contract. Whatever terms are in the contract are subject to negotiation. Once you accept the bid, whether verbally or in writing, you are both bound by the terms and conditions of the contract.

If the terms include mileage, that is neither illegal, immoral or fattening. Ditto for travel time, ditto for time on site, ditto for parts. If the contractor fails to live up to his agreement, then you have a case. The only issue I see here is whether the contractor failed to meet ordinary standards of care in diagnosing and correcting the problem. If the terms in his contract state that you will only be charged for correct diagnosis, then there is no reason to pay for the original misdiagnosis. If the terms say you pay regardless of whether he correctly diagnosed the problem, you owe the whole nut.
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depends on the contractor, if you hire someone to work on your home for months on end, and they charge you for travel time both ways and gas mileage, they are getting a bit too good of a deal.

However most "service" contractors, HVAC, plumbing, who do call outs, often emergency "we need someone now" kind of thing, these people will charge for travel time, mileage, etc, because often they are not on a job for more than a few hours at a time and spend a lot of time on the road, as well they keep a fully stocked vehicle, and are often available after hours.
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I charge a fuel surcharge for anything over 20 miles and I charge my hourly rate driving to the job if it's over 20 miles. I have a rig that gets 7mpg and due to the type of jobs I do, I normally spend roughly 2.5hrs of driving between customers per day. I can not be expected to eat this as lost wages, can I? Also, I noted a few people talking about contracts. Contracts are fantastic and can be the factor that causes you to win or lose a court case, but I personally, do not "Bid" jobs. I give estimates. By giving a "bid", you are locking yourself into a contract that could ultimately shoot yourself in the foot. By doing estimates, it allows me to go up or down on my bill. My bill has always been less than my estimate. This makes for happy clients and a happy me.
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The bill being less than the estimate is something I've never experienced. NEVER, with any trade.
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